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Old March 27th, 2016, 12:06 PM   #1
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Request for Pictures: XM21

Specifically looking for color pictures of Vietnam era Xm21 /showing the color cammo used on the stocks. My assumption is that the paint used, was vehicle paint that was available in maintenance depots or maintenance units.

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Old March 27th, 2016, 01:35 PM   #2
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There are a couple of threads here with photos of the XM21 on display in the museum at West Point. It has the camo paint on the stock, in the same sort of snake pattern as shown in the Senich/Stevens photos.

My impression is that only a few XM21s, maybe only within certain units, were camo painted. The camo appears to be simply hand painted with a brush and looks like hardware store paint, nothing fancy or even milspec.

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Old March 27th, 2016, 01:46 PM   #3
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My stock, which I believe to be an original XM21 with remnants of the camo paint job:










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West Point's XM-21 Sniper Rifle

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Excellent - thank you!!
I have lots of pics in B&W - but color adds a whole new dimension.

Is that one you have, epoxy impregnated?

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Specifically looking for color pictures of Vietnam era Xm21 /showing the color cammo used on the stocks. My assumption is that the paint used, was vehicle paint that was available in maintenance depots or maintenance units.

Thanks in advance.
HMU, I took several photos of the West Point Museum XM21. leeace99@hotmail.com

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Old March 27th, 2016, 03:19 PM   #7
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Not epoxy impregnated. Dry as a bone.

After many years, as much research as I can do, testimonials from those who were there, and much head banging, I have come to the conclusion that only a few (possibly very early) XM21 stocks were epoxy impregnated.

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Not epoxy impregnated. Dry as a bone.

After many years, as much research as I can do, testimonials from those who were there, and much head banging, I have come to the conclusion that only a few (possibly very early) XM21 stocks were epoxy impregnated.
I am in TOTAL agreement with this statement. In 30 + years the best I have found is the statement in one of Senich's books saying something to the effect that "some stocks" were sent to Western Sealant in Ct.". I also found a statement somewhere else that said that one of the problems they ran into was warping during the "baking" process. That was also told to me by a former AMTU armorer that I got my epoxy stock from. His exact words were " there was an unacceptable percentage of stocks that were not acceptable for use". I have also never found any written document stating the "all" XM21s wore epoxy stocks.

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2336USMC,
You and I had some posts back about 2 or 3 years about the 21 stocks. Like I had written then, in all my (early to mid 80's) travels / units / deployments where there were 21's - I never ever saw an epoxy impregnated stock, except one in Central America. (and it was absolutely beat to sh*t) All the school house 21's had med - hvy walnut.
Every 21 I saw had medium heavy walnut on it. I have several that came off of actual 21's. The bedding is very unimpressive - sloppy even. Always done in Bisonite. Never ever saw a 21 with a McMillan either.

In my research, the stocks were impregnated at Fenwal Systems in Rhode Island. I searched high and low for the company - it is out of business now. The area in which it was located is all the same type of industry / tooling / fiberglass / manufacturing.
Given the fact that the amount of epoxy required and the curing cycle - a significant amount of heat would generate - totally conceivable that there would be a significant amount of warpage.

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