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Old September 9th, 2014, 07:03 AM   #1
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Lightbulb How much does my M14/M1A weigh?

It's very pleasant to see that over the last ~10 years the M14 has come a long way. It used to be that our options were limited to barrel profile, barrel length, twist rate and GI, wood or McMillan stocks. Now we have so many options and it came to my attention that we don't have a weight database, or at least not one that I know of, that's readily available all in one place on the forum.

Original M14 weight?
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Originally Posted by XXIV Corps View Post
From the U.S. Rifle 7.62MM, M14 and M14E2 Field Manual No. 23-8 dated 7 May 1965.

Weights in Pounds (approximate):

M14 rifle with full magazine and cleaning equipment, 11 1/4
M14 rifle with full magazine and cleaning equipment, selector, and bipod, 13
Empty magazine, 1/2
Full magazine (with ball ammunition), 1 1/2
Cleaning equipment, 2/3
M2 bipod, 1 3/4
M14E2 rifle with full magazine, 14 1/2
I'd like to start collecting data on modern stock weights (SAGE, JAE, AG, Blackfeather, etc...) and barrelled actions with different profile barrels/lengths. I'll be searching the forum over the coming days to include as much as I can come up with. If anyone knows the weight of a particular action or stock, please list the details of what you have or know and how you weighed it (postage scale, stood on a scale with your rifle, etc...)

If you have the weight of a barreled action, please include the weight with the trigger group. Whatever people post, I'll update the title threads

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Old September 9th, 2014, 07:03 AM   #2
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Stocks

I found some data on a couple of threads regarding GI stocks.

USGI stock weights

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Here are the weight results for some stocks I've weighed (metal hardware included):

stock assembly, fiberglass USGI 11686428 46.2 oz (2.8875 lbs.)
stock assembly, fiberglass USGI 11686428 49.0 oz (3.0625 lbs.)
stock assembly, fiberglass USGI 11686428 45.4 oz (2.8375 lbs.)
stock assembly, walnut USGI 7790702 41.8 oz (2.6125 lbs.)
stock assembly, walnut USGI 7790702 44.4 oz (2.775 lbs.)
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USGI wood stocks vary quite a bit in weight, due to the density of the individual wood blanks. If you want a light one, you might try taking a postal scale to a gunshow or someplace where there are a number of stocks to pick from.

Here are some stocks I have weighed, notice that some of the standard "skinny" stocks weigh as much as a Big Red, and that the GI fiberglass weighs more than some of the wood stocks...

Stocks, no buttplate or rear swivel
USGI walnut #1 34.3 oz Tru-oil
USGI walnut #2 33.7 oz finish stripped
USGI walnut #3 33.7 oz spray camo, glass bedded
USGI walnut #4 39.1 oz, oil finish
USGI NM birch, medium hvy dwg # 11010263, Sykes, routed for bedding 34.9 oz oil finish
USGI NM walnut, medium hvy dwg # 11010263, S.A., glass bedded 36.5 oz oil finish
USGI NM mystery wood, heavy contour dwg #9352638, Fajen 33.9 oz no finish
USGI NM walnut, heavy contour dwg #9352638, Fajen 41.4 oz no finish
USGI fiberglass 36.9 oz mil finish
USGI fiberglass #2 40.8 oz spray can camo
Hueygunner composite stock 37.4 oz green CARC finish
USGI M14 buttplate 8.2 oz with screws, 7.4 oz 210 gm w/o screws
USGI M1 buttplate 3.8 oz 109gm w/o screws
Rubber spacer 7790914 0.8 oz 22gm
USGI front ferrule 6g
USGI front sling swivel, no rivets 22g
USGI rear sling swivel 22g .8 oz


McMillan fiberglass stock: Approx. 4 lbs. (Need reference) Approx. 4.5 lbs with buttplate and screws.


MODERN STOCK WEIGHTS


SAGE
• M14ALCS & HB: 5.1 lbs.
• M14ALCS/CV (Chassis with telescoping AR stock tube installed, no stock included): 3.5 lbs. With Magpul CTR Stock: 4.05 lbs.
• M14ALCS/CVFS (Fixed stock, no pistol grip): 5.1 lbs.
• M14ALCS/PMRI: 5.5 lbs.

JAE-100 G3: 4.5 lbs. to 6 lbs. depending on options

TROY: Approx 4.5 lbs. (need verification)

AG Composites: Approx 1.9 lbs (no metal parts). Approx 2.41 lbs. estimated with USGI buttplate installed.

Hueygunner Carbon/Graphite/Kevlar stock (no metal) 2.34 lbs. With buttplate: 2.85 lbs.

M14.CA Blackfeather (main chassis, rails, pistol grip and tube stock): 2.8 lbs.

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Complete rifles and barrelled actions

Complete Rifles:
Complete standard USGI M14/M1A, empty, no magazine: ~9.2 lbs. (U.S. Rifle 7.62MM, M14 and M14E2 Field Manual) (Wikipedia)
SOCOM 16 with standard SAI Scout rail and empty 10-rd mag: 8.8lbs (SAI website)
SOCOM II with VLTOR cluster rail and empty 10-rd mag: 10 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A Scout Squad with standard SAI Scout rail and empty 10-rd mag: 8.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A standard with current production synthetic stock and empty 10-rd mag: 8.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A standard with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag: 9.3 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A loaded with current production synthetic stock and empty 10-rd mag 9.3 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A loaded with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag 9.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A National Match with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag: 9.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A Super Match with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag: 11.2 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A Super Match with McMillan FG stock and empty 10-rd mag: 12.2 lbs. (SAI website)
M21 Tactical Long Range with heavy walnut and empty 10-round mag: 11.6 lbs. (SAI website)

Privately Owned Rifles:
Super Match M1A with McMillan FG stock and heavy barrel and leather sling: 14.2 lbs. (Courtesy of Wolley)
Custom LRB M25 rear-lugged with Mcmillan stock, heavy Krieger barrel, bipod, sling and Nightforce loaded with 20 rounds of 175 SMKs: 20+ lbs. (courtesey of Lennyo3034)



Barrelled Actions:
Standard barrelled action with a GI barrel, handguard and trigger group to weigh approximately 6.1 lbs.

If someone can confirm this, please do so.

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Barrel weights...

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Krieger lists their DMR barrel at 2.8 pounds and their heavy barrel at 3.5 pounds.
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A HR chrome lined barrel made in 7-62 weighs 1lb 14.9oz

A USGI NM medium weight barrel made by 26978 (SAK/Saco/Maremont) in 5-83 weighs 2lb 12.2oz

USGI barrel: 1.93 lbs.
SAK Medium weight 22": 2.76 lbs.

Jon Wolfe WMMW 22": 3.25 lbs.

Kreiger-
Heavy 22": 3.5 lbs.
DMR 22": 2.8 lbs.


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Flash suppressors, scope mounts, magazines and bipods....

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I can't tell you what the individual components weigh. My Super Match, rear lug, Krieger heavy with Ron Brown sling weighs 14.2lbs. No added weight and no magazine.

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I had a Socom 16 with Vltor Modstock and loaded 25 round magazine and Vortex 4-16 it was about 15 lbs.

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Oh, and bipod.

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Thanks for the input, folks. I encourage anyone with a postage scale to weigh their individual rifles, parts or barrelled actions, please and post it here so I can update the list.

I created this as a quick reference for anyone trying to build a rifle or make changes to their rifles so that they can have a side by side comparison of the weight of their final product before optics and accessories and help people put in perspective how heavy or light of a rifle that you will end up with.

I would like to see any owners of M1A's post their rifle weights. I think SAI might be a little conservative on their weights since there is a 2 pound difference reported from SAI and Wolley regarding the same rifle.

Thanks to all who posted this stuff before which I was able to collect using the search feature and for all those who will contribute in the future.

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Custom LRB M25 with Mcmillan stock, heavy Krieger barrel, and Nightforce loaded with 20 rounds of 175 SMKs weighs just over 20 pounds.

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Custom LRB M25 with Mcmillan stock, heavy Krieger barrel, and Nightforce loaded with 20 rounds of 175 SMKs weighs just over 20 pounds.
Sweet mercy! Can I also assume it's rear lugged too?

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Oh yes. That includes bipod and sling weight as well, and an FTW sling is not nothing. I have since swapped the optic and rings for lighter ones.

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Tony, if you send me an e-mail, I'll reply with my spreadsheet of Weights of M14 Items. It should save you some time. leeace99@hotmail.com

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SAI Socom 16. Fiberglass stock, USGI Handguard (scope mount removed), USGI Cotton sling less the noisy buckle, sadlak NM guide rod, empty 10 rd magazine.

9# 6oz

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Flash suppressors, scope mounts, magazines and bipods....
USGI M14 buttplate 8.2 oz with screws, 7.4 oz 210 gm w/o screws
USGI M1 buttplate 3.8 oz 109gm w/o screws
Rubber spacer 7790914 0.8 oz 22gm
USGI front ferrule 6g
USGI front sling swivel, no rivets 22g
USGI rear sling swivel 22g .8 oz
USGI cast FS, NM reamed 106g
USGI cast FS 109g
Mystery MB, short 4 vent w/ bayo lug 120g
SAI CA MB, no bayo lug 132g
SEI USCG brake, no bayo lug 140g
SAI/Fabian Bros Muzzle Stabilizer w/ bayo lug 167g
Clark/Miculek MB w/ bayo lug 179g
Mystery MB, USGI E2 style vents, no bayo lug 195g (looks much like the brake LRB sells)

Digital scale.

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