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#1 ·
It's very pleasant to see that over the last ~10 years the M14 has come a long way. It used to be that our options were limited to barrel profile, barrel length, twist rate and GI, wood or McMillan stocks. Now we have so many options and it came to my attention that we don't have a weight database, or at least not one that I know of, that's readily available all in one place on the forum.

http://m14forum.com/m14/115665-original-m14-weight.html
XXIV Corps said:
From the U.S. Rifle 7.62MM, M14 and M14E2 Field Manual No. 23-8 dated 7 May 1965.

Weights in Pounds (approximate):

M14 rifle with full magazine and cleaning equipment, 11 1/4
M14 rifle with full magazine and cleaning equipment, selector, and bipod, 13
Empty magazine, 1/2
Full magazine (with ball ammunition), 1 1/2
Cleaning equipment, 2/3
M2 bipod, 1 3/4
M14E2 rifle with full magazine, 14 1/2
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I'd like to start collecting data on modern stock weights (SAGE, JAE, AG, Blackfeather, etc...) and barrelled actions with different profile barrels/lengths. I'll be searching the forum over the coming days to include as much as I can come up with. If anyone knows the weight of a particular action or stock, please list the details of what you have or know and how you weighed it (postage scale, stood on a scale with your rifle, etc...)

If you have the weight of a barreled action, please include the weight with the trigger group. Whatever people post, I'll update the title threads

Thanks,
Tony.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Stocks

I found some data on a couple of threads regarding GI stocks.

http://m14forum.com/m14/111516-usgi-stock-weights.html

Different said:
Here are the weight results for some stocks I've weighed (metal hardware included):

stock assembly, fiberglass USGI 11686428 46.2 oz (2.8875 lbs.)
stock assembly, fiberglass USGI 11686428 49.0 oz (3.0625 lbs.)
stock assembly, fiberglass USGI 11686428 45.4 oz (2.8375 lbs.)
stock assembly, walnut USGI 7790702 41.8 oz (2.6125 lbs.)
stock assembly, walnut USGI 7790702 44.4 oz (2.775 lbs.)
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2336USMC said:
USGI wood stocks vary quite a bit in weight, due to the density of the individual wood blanks. If you want a light one, you might try taking a postal scale to a gunshow or someplace where there are a number of stocks to pick from.

Here are some stocks I have weighed, notice that some of the standard "skinny" stocks weigh as much as a Big Red, and that the GI fiberglass weighs more than some of the wood stocks...

Stocks, no buttplate or rear swivel
USGI walnut #1 34.3 oz Tru-oil
USGI walnut #2 33.7 oz finish stripped
USGI walnut #3 33.7 oz spray camo, glass bedded
USGI walnut #4 39.1 oz, oil finish
USGI NM birch, medium hvy dwg # 11010263, Sykes, routed for bedding 34.9 oz oil finish
USGI NM walnut, medium hvy dwg # 11010263, S.A., glass bedded 36.5 oz oil finish
USGI NM mystery wood, heavy contour dwg #9352638, Fajen 33.9 oz no finish
USGI NM walnut, heavy contour dwg #9352638, Fajen 41.4 oz no finish
USGI fiberglass 36.9 oz mil finish
USGI fiberglass #2 40.8 oz spray can camo
Hueygunner composite stock 37.4 oz green CARC finish
USGI M14 buttplate 8.2 oz with screws, 7.4 oz 210 gm w/o screws
USGI M1 buttplate 3.8 oz 109gm w/o screws
Rubber spacer 7790914 0.8 oz 22gm
USGI front ferrule 6g
USGI front sling swivel, no rivets 22g
USGI rear sling swivel 22g .8 oz


GI1
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McMillan fiberglass stock: Approx. 4 lbs. (Need reference) Approx. 4.5 lbs with buttplate and screws.


MODERN STOCK WEIGHTS

SAGE
• M14ALCS & HB: 5.1 lbs.
• M14ALCS/CV (Chassis with telescoping AR stock tube installed, no stock included): 3.5 lbs. With Magpul CTR Stock: 4.05 lbs.
• M14ALCS/CVFS (Fixed stock, no pistol grip): 5.1 lbs.
• M14ALCS/PMRI: 5.5 lbs.

JAE-100 G3: 4.5 lbs. to 6 lbs. depending on options

TROY: Approx 4.5 lbs. (need verification)

AG Composites: Approx 1.9 lbs (no metal parts). Approx 2.41 lbs. estimated with USGI buttplate installed.

Hueygunner Carbon/Graphite/Kevlar stock (no metal) 2.34 lbs. With buttplate: 2.85 lbs.

M14.CA Blackfeather (main chassis, rails, pistol grip and tube stock): 2.8 lbs.

Tony.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Complete rifles and barrelled actions

Complete Rifles:
Complete standard USGI M14/M1A, empty, no magazine: ~9.2 lbs. (U.S. Rifle 7.62MM, M14 and M14E2 Field Manual) (Wikipedia)
SOCOM 16 with standard SAI Scout rail and empty 10-rd mag: 8.8lbs (SAI website)
SOCOM II with VLTOR cluster rail and empty 10-rd mag: 10 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A Scout Squad with standard SAI Scout rail and empty 10-rd mag: 8.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A standard with current production synthetic stock and empty 10-rd mag: 8.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A standard with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag: 9.3 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A loaded with current production synthetic stock and empty 10-rd mag 9.3 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A loaded with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag 9.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A National Match with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag: 9.8 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A Super Match with current production walnut stock and empty 10-rd mag: 11.2 lbs. (SAI website)
M1A Super Match with McMillan FG stock and empty 10-rd mag: 12.2 lbs. (SAI website)
M21 Tactical Long Range with heavy walnut and empty 10-round mag: 11.6 lbs. (SAI website)

Privately Owned Rifles:
Super Match M1A with McMillan FG stock and heavy barrel and leather sling: 14.2 lbs. (Courtesy of Wolley)
Custom LRB M25 rear-lugged with Mcmillan stock, heavy Krieger barrel, bipod, sling and Nightforce loaded with 20 rounds of 175 SMKs: 20+ lbs. (courtesey of Lennyo3034)



Barrelled Actions:
Standard barrelled action with a GI barrel, handguard and trigger group to weigh approximately 6.1 lbs.

If someone can confirm this, please do so.

Thanks,
Tony.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Barrels

Barrel weights...

NoExpert said:
Krieger lists their DMR barrel at 2.8 pounds and their heavy barrel at 3.5 pounds.
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2336USMC said:
A HR chrome lined barrel made in 7-62 weighs 1lb 14.9oz

A USGI NM medium weight barrel made by 26978 (SAK/Saco/Maremont) in 5-83 weighs 2lb 12.2oz

MCORPS1
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USGI barrel: 1.93 lbs.
SAK Medium weight 22": 2.76 lbs.

Jon Wolfe WMMW 22": 3.25 lbs.

Kreiger-
Heavy 22": 3.5 lbs.
DMR 22": 2.8 lbs.
 
#15 ·
tonyben said:
Flash suppressors, scope mounts, magazines and bipods....
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USGI M14 buttplate 8.2 oz with screws, 7.4 oz 210 gm w/o screws
USGI M1 buttplate 3.8 oz 109gm w/o screws
Rubber spacer 7790914 0.8 oz 22gm
USGI front ferrule 6g
USGI front sling swivel, no rivets 22g
USGI rear sling swivel 22g .8 oz
USGI cast FS, NM reamed 106g
USGI cast FS 109g
Mystery MB, short 4 vent w/ bayo lug 120g
SAI CA MB, no bayo lug 132g
SEI USCG brake, no bayo lug 140g
SAI/Fabian Bros Muzzle Stabilizer w/ bayo lug 167g
Clark/Miculek MB w/ bayo lug 179g
Mystery MB, USGI E2 style vents, no bayo lug 195g (looks much like the brake LRB sells)

Digital scale.
 
#9 ·
Thanks for the input, folks. I encourage anyone with a postage scale to weigh their individual rifles, parts or barrelled actions, please and post it here so I can update the list.

I created this as a quick reference for anyone trying to build a rifle or make changes to their rifles so that they can have a side by side comparison of the weight of their final product before optics and accessories and help people put in perspective how heavy or light of a rifle that you will end up with.

I would like to see any owners of M1A's post their rifle weights. I think SAI might be a little conservative on their weights since there is a 2 pound difference reported from SAI and Wolley regarding the same rifle.

Thanks to all who posted this stuff before which I was able to collect using the search feature and for all those who will contribute in the future.

Tony.
 
#16 ·
Well, I bought a postage scale tonight. I weighed my LRB M14SA (no-lug) with Medium weight Criterion 22" barrel (Saco blueprint reproduction), Hueygunner carbon/graphite/kevlar stock bedded with sling. It came in at 10lbs, 4.9oz



My SAI standard 22" with GI H&R barrel and no mods what so ever, mounted in a Blackfeather chassis system with scout hand guard (SHG) and alloy tube stock came in at 9lbs, 8oz.



Tony.
 
M
#17 ·
just a note regarding wood stocks....their weight not only varies from the density and profile but the amount of oil in the wood. I have one socom that weighs a little over 7 1/2 lbs....the stock is a shorten wood stock with as much of the oil in it purged out...resulting in the stock of about 1lb 10 0z. A stock socom receiver with iron sights trigger group and no mag is about 6.2 pounds
 
J
#19 ·
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Old photo with descriptor: "Stripped 18 1/2" barrel just before removal. Rear sight still on." So I'm thinking bare 18 1/2" barrel and receiver pulled apart just enough to do yet another barrel swap.

I used to have quite a bit of weighing and such of various bits in the old forum set-up that had the "blog" feature as linked below. It's still a little accessible using the "way back" feature of Google,... I think. Not a computer whiz am i, and have limited computer time of late. Will try to roust out more as time permits and it gets remembered!
 
J
#20 · (Edited)
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McCann stocked and 18" bbl as below but with scope mount piled on.:

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ETA:
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Seven pounds thirteen ounces. Too bad that Fulton's barrel wouldn't group! Ended up with a regular GI barrel, but don't have it's weight handy.

ETA: 0300 17 Oct 14: P'bucket very slow! Haven't yet found more weights pictured, but there's likely some hidden about my multitude of m14 albums...
 
#21 ·
Data points from Sumo...

Sumo said:
This has probably been done before, but I thought I'd share some stock weight data. All stocks weighed with full hardware attached using a USPS digital scale.

std=standard; BR=Big Red; FG=Fiberglass;

SAI plastic 2lb 5oz
GI walnut BR 2lb 12oz
SAI walnut 2lb 8oz
GI birch std #1 2lb 12oz
GI birch std #2 2lb 12oz
GI birch BR #1 3lb 1oz
GI birch BR #2 2lb 14oz
GI FG #1 2lb 14oz
GI FG #2 3lb 3oz
GI FG #3 3lb 1oz
McMillian M1A 3lb 14oz
Vltor EMOD ?
Sage EBR Mod 1 4lbs 14oz
SAge EBR Mod 0 5lb 1oz
JAE gen 1 w/o side rails 5lb 6oz
JAE gen 1 w/side rails and adj cheek 6lb 1oz
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Tony.
 
#25 · (Edited)


Exactly as pictured above, with a loaded 20 round mag of XM80 ball, the total weight is 13lb, 5.5oz. Without the full magazine, this rifle should weigh 11lbs, 13oz. Had the barrel been a standard weight profile, this rifle would weigh in right at 11lbs. Not bad for a fully scoped rifle!

-LRB M14SA receiver
-Blackfeather chassis
-M14.CA RBS
-Bassett high picatinny mount
-Burris Zee medium height rings
-Zeiss Conquest 3-9x50mm scope
-Bula Forge medium weight 19.25" barrel
-M14EBR trigger shoe

Tony.
 
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#27 ·
Here are some comparisons. From small arms of the world, by ezell. I think there are w/ magazine un loaded.

Weight OAL BBL
FAL --- 9.06--- 40"--- 21"
M1 --- 9.5--- 43.6"--- 24"
M14.--- 8.7--- 44.14" --- 22"
G43. --- 9.5--- 44" --- 21.6"
STG44 ---11.5 --- 37"--- 16.5"
G3/HK. --- 9.9 --- 40.2"--- 17.7"
US 1903 ---8.69 --- 43.2" --- 24"
US 1917 ---8.18.--- 46.3" ---- 26"
 
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