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Old April 29th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #16
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anything you can do that stabilizes your shooting position is beneficial. One simple way to do that is to follow the traditional loop sling technique.

I always employ hasty sling method , but will likely use the loop more when/if i get into match shooting.

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Old April 29th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #17
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Old April 29th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #18
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i spent too much time on practicality and prefer the hasty sling, or even the hasty, hasty sling

works well IMO, but I dont match shoot either

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Old February 12th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #19
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on those famous M1 Garand/government series of videos from the 1940s, the sling they are using/demonstrating is fancier than the USGI cotton sling. if you are a newbie to slings, it can be hard to tell that the slings are different since the vid is in B&W.
As others have said, attending an Appleseed (or at least the first day) will definitely get you going with sling usage.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #20
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I generally use the hasty sling method....that's the way my Dad taught me to use it.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #21
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You may not find a lot of written info on sling use because the fact of the matter is, you will need to work with visual and tactile instruction/instructors.

The video I am posting covers a lot of points, but you must experience the subtlies of Standing, seated and prone yourself.

That said, you do not need any special sling, the standard slings used for M1 Garands, 1903s are pretty much all you need to start with. Its what this individual uses and it is what is taught at Appleseed events.

There is a hasty sling method and I am sure you can do some searching for that, but this shows the detached loop method. Please note that the man cradles the rifle in the forehand, this is a key point. He also makes a good cheek weld too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRPfj-6bRZM

Here's some good stuff, but its restricted material, I don't think I should be sharing it! Ha hA. It does show the hasty sling method at the very end. Techniques have changed a bit with prone, usually the rifle leg is bent, not straight, but he rest of the info is still pretty good. There are 3 or 4 videos in this series, this is the 3rd. All are solid starting points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...ZYM&feature=iv


That guy in the first video is Robert Langham, one of our shooters in the state team. I've shot with him a few times at Perry.

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Old March 23rd, 2016, 08:59 AM   #22
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My new to me M1a came with 2 slings, a leather MRT 1907 sling and a green cotton web sling, they're both useful but I'd like to stick with one.

I've been watching videos trying to learn proper usage but it's difficult. I've used the leather sling at the range and plan to try the web sling next. I'

The leather sling is tough, I've tried to loosen it up but noticed the dry surface starting to crack so I stopped. I've read that neats foot oil will help this.

My questions are which sling do you prefer and why. Also, is the leather sling worth anything such that I should baby it? Are they all prone to cracking? Is it something that I'd be able to replace if I began using it? It's marked MRT Dec 03.

I am about to register for an Appleseed event and would like to have one of these slings worn in and familiar to me by then.

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look up mikem0331 on youtube. hes a member here as well.

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Old March 23rd, 2016, 09:54 AM   #24
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I congratulate you for learning to use a sling for support. Appropriate slings for U.S. service rifles such as the M1903, M1 Garand and M14 are either the M1907 two piece leather sling or the M1 cotton or nylon web sling.

Both sling types can be used in two ways: (1) simple "hasty sling" configuration or (2) "loop sling" configuration.

The hasty sling configuration is fast and appropriate for hunting or combat.

The loop sling method is the most stable and is used by target shooters. When properly used the loop sling method in prone is nearly as stable as shooting from a sandbag or other type of rest.

These two links show how to rig the slings for the loop method. They do not contain other details regarding the shooting position itself.

http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/slinghelp/slinghelp.htm

http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm

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I congratulate you for learning to use a sling for support. Appropriate slings for U.S. service rifles such as the M1903, M1 Garand and M14 are either the M1907 two piece leather sling or the M1 cotton or nylon web sling.

Both sling types can be used in two ways: (1) simple "hasty sling" configuration or (2) "loop sling" configuration.

The hasty sling configuration is fast and appropriate for hunting or combat.

The loop sling method is the most stable and is used by target shooters. When properly used the loop sling method in prone is nearly as stable as shooting from a sandbag or other type of rest.

These two links show how to rig the slings for the loop method. They do not contain other details regarding the shooting position itself.

http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/slinghelp/slinghelp.htm

http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm
I'm familiar with a hasty sling, personally I don't feel that it helps me very much. I did get my web sling into a loop last night and I def felt more stable, although I was in my office desk chair, and it took me 2-3 minutes to get it somewhat right.

Opinion on why most of the service rifle competition shooter pics I see prefer the leather sling? Easier to get setup? More durable?

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I'm familiar with a hasty sling, personally I don't feel that it helps me very much. I did get my web sling into a loop last night and I def felt more stable, although I was in my office desk chair, and it took me 2-3 minutes to get it somewhat right.

Opinion on why most of the service rifle competition shooter pics I see prefer the leather sling? Easier to get setup? More durable?
As you are learning, rigging the sling and getting it on your arm is step one. Building a solid position with the sling for support is phase two and is more difficult. Sitting and prone positions are all the same on paper but the details are highly individualized due to body shape and size. Optimization takes a lot of trial and error. Dry firing with the sling at home helps.

The other thing is a solid sling supported sitting and prone position is going to stretch and flex muscles and joints that are not normally used that way so soreness and stiffness can result until you get loosened up.

I do not exaggerate when I say that a good sling prone position is as steady as if you had the rifle on a sand bag. Emil Praslik the recently retired head of the US Army Marksmanship Unit stated he has competitors who have a .25 MOA hold - in other words their wobble is the size of a .25 caliber hole at 100 yards.

If you enjoy shooting small groups, learning how to use a sling is very satisfying.

As to preferred type, M1907 leather vs M1 web - Among service rifle competitors 30 years ago the leather sling was used by maybe 90%. That situation has turned around and is now maybe 50% each.

The web sling has advantages, mostly it is easier to put on the arm and tends to stay where you put it. Takes more effort to get into the leather sling and cinch it so it does not slide down the arm. The sling sliding down will loosen up the entire position and things go to hell.

Disadvantage to the leather is that they will stretch. You think you have it tight enough but half way thru a string it stretches and you get loose. I resorted to hanging a 10 lb weight from my sling the night before a match to pre-stretch it. If you shot every few days this would not be an issue.

There are synthetic material version of the M1907 that never stretch. The M1 GI web sling does not stretch.

If I were coaching someone starting out, I would recommend they use the M1 web sling. Simple to use, inexpensive and it works.

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Someone posted this in another thread, interesting stuff.


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