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This is a discussion on Norinco M14 Serial Number Database - North America within the Reference forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Mine looks like the one in post #108. M305 SEMI AUTO .308WIN 20123298-12-356 CN 13 CA New in box, from a Mom & Pop "fishing ...


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Old August 9th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #121
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Post Here's another one:

Mine looks like the one in post #108.

M305 SEMI AUTO .308WIN
20123298-12-356 CN 13 CA


New in box, from a Mom & Pop "fishing shop", Nanaimo, BC.
(18-1/2" barrel)

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Old August 10th, 2013, 04:21 AM   #122
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I think it should be as the common 7mm barrel, 1 in 9.5 or 1 in 10.
i will mesure. I thought that as the receiver was stamped, it could be a factory make.
I don't know about the quality of the barrel. i will investigate through one of the former owner , but sometime, people just say what they think you would like to heard. That why it's sometime difficult to go in deep for reference information.
If i make a short conclusion, i could tell my rifle is a polytech , built in China in 2009?
thanks again for your information.
in another way, do you have heard about short magnum chambering (7wsm, saum) in M14. any reference could help.
There have been M1A rifles converted to .300 WSM. It's in my book, M14 Rifle History and Development, which is available for free at m14.ca. Go to that web site and scroll down into the M14 Reference Library.

Your rifle was built in 2009 at State Arsenal 356, Kunming, Yunan, People's Republic of China. It was exported by either Poly Technologies or Norinco. Poly Technologies and Norinco are exporters, not manufacturers. Your rifle should be marked either Norinco or Poly Tech on the left hand side of the receiver. The manufacturer is a government owned arsenal.

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Mine looks like the one in post #108.

M305 SEMI AUTO .308WIN
20123298-12-356 CN 13 CA
Are there any numbers stamped on the receiver left side hidden by the stock?

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IDK. I haven't even field stripped it yet!
I'm planning that for today to get rid of the oil that's dripping off it.
I'll let you know what I find.
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On the receiver, under the stock:

4 4 38 14 26


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4 4 38 14 26


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Thank you! I think I've decoded the meaning of the Chinese "lotto" numbers.

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Old August 10th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #127
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Hey, that's right! Aren't The Chinese all into this numerology and
feng schway and stuff like that? Numbers all have meaning and
the sights must be in alignment?
Ah, so...

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. Poly Technologies and Norinco are exporters, not manufacturers.
Norinco is the government owned manufacturer.
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As a conglomerate integrating R&D, manufacture, marketing and services, NORINCO has been continuously developing up-to-date high-tech defense products. It has demonstrated the strong capabilities in providing customers with systems and solutions in the fields of precision strike, amphibious assault, long-range suppression, anti-aircraft & anti-missile, information & night vision, high-effect destruction, anti-terrorism & anti-riot, and small arms.

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Norinco is the government owned manufacturer.
Regarding the M14 built at State Arsenal 356, Norinco exports those rifles. State Arsenal 356 manufactures the M14. Does Norinco do other stuff than export? Yes, most definitely.

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I was under the impression that SA356 made parts for Norinco, but then again you never know what to believe on the internet


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All Chinese semi-automatic M14 rifle receivers and new (post-1978) production parts for them have been manufactured at State Arsenal 356 in Yunnan Province, People's Republic of China. Yunnan Province is in southwest China and borders the nations of Laos and the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam. All Chinese M14 type receivers are drop forged. Norinco has made select fire and semi-automatic only M14 type rifles. Norinco also produced a semi-automatic M14 known as the M305. There were two versions of the M305. Type I was assembled with a standard stock and flash suppressor and Type II featured a pistol grip stock and a stabilizer similar to the M14E2. Chinese semi-automatic M14 rifles have been exported to Canada, New Zealand, Norway and the United States for sale to private owners. The Chinese rifles exported to New Zealand are stamped M14 on the receiver heel and have had the selector lug cut off. Rifles marked M305 have been exported to Canada and Norway. A small number of Norinco select fire M14 rifles are available for sale in the United States as post-'86 ban dealer samples.

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I was under the impression that SA356 made parts for Norinco, but then again you never know what to believe on the internet
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"All Chinese semi-automatic M14 rifle receivers and new (post-1978) production parts for them have been manufactured at State Arsenal 356 in Yunnan Province, People's Republic of China. Yunnan Province is in southwest China and borders the nations of Laos and the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam. All Chinese M14 type receivers are drop forged. Norinco has made select fire and semi-automatic only M14 type rifles. Norinco also produced a semi-automatic M14 known as the M305. There were two versions of the M305. Type I was assembled with a standard stock and flash suppressor and Type II featured a pistol grip stock and a stabilizer similar to the M14E2. Chinese semi-automatic M14 rifles have been exported to Canada, New Zealand, Norway and the United States for sale to private owners. The Chinese rifles exported to New Zealand are stamped M14 on the receiver heel and have had the selector lug cut off. Rifles marked M305 have been exported to Canada and Norway. A small number of Norinco select fire M14 rifles are available for sale in the United States as post-'86 ban dealer samples."

is from my earlier work, M14 Rifle History and Development Second Edition dated May 2006. Subsequent to that edition, these three sentences were removed:

"Norinco has made select fire and semi-automatic only M14 type rifles. Norinco also produced a semi-automatic M14 known as the M305. There were two versions of the M305. Type I was assembled with a standard stock and flash suppressor and Type II featured a pistol grip stock and a stabilizer similar to the M14E2."

I've not been able to find anything further on Chinese M14 rifles being built with a pistol grip stock at the factory. The other two sentences are incorrect in that it has been State Arsenal 356 that manufactured the M14, select fire and semi-automatic only, in the People's Republic of China. The source for those three sentences was Edward C. Ezell, a well-respected firearms historian.

Subsequent to the Second Edition, I've added additional text that discusses semi-automatic only Chinese M14 rifles exported to New Zealand.

cdngunner, you are correct. You should be skeptical about what you read on the Internet. However, here's why I think I have credibility on this one subject, the M14 rifle:

a) I am a fallible creature and freely admit that I have made some factual errors in the past. I see no benefit to anyone by not admitting my errors.
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d) If I disagree with you, I will explain why using facts and possibly the opinions of those who are subject matter experts.
e) I'm not researching this subject for profit. I give away my book in electronic format (just ask me for a copy) and receive no profit from the hardcover copies.
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Thank you for your consideration,

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I have read your stuff on the internet before, on several forums. I do consider you and your info to be a true resource on these platforms.

Unfortunately, the internet is what it is. You never know how valid any of it is. I got the quote from a site that never quoted the author or the date it was written or whether it was superseded by a revision.

Keep up the good work!

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Any chance I could get some info on this one? :)
Serial Number:009188
Made in China CJA SFLD, MI.



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Any chance I could get some info on this one? :)
Serial Number:009188
Made in China CJA SFLD, MI.


Would you mind sharing the "lotto" numbers under the stock on the receiver left side, please? That will help.

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Would you mind sharing the "lotto" numbers under the stock on the receiver left side, please? That will help.

Hello! thanks for the timely reply :)
here are the lucky numbers! "4, 3, 22, 18, 24"
Cheers,
Riley :)

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