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June 23rd, 2011, 09:05 PM
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#1 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston
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|  Im confused is there two SA companies?
On a listing on GB.com the seller lists his stock as Quote: |
Up for auction is an original M14 Walnut rifle stock.It is a Springfield stock, NOT to be confused with the company that now uses the name, it is the original Government Armory.For those of you with an M1A, this stock has the cut-away for the select-fire switch, replacement stocks do not.
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June 23rd, 2011, 09:11 PM
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#2 | | Old Salt
Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northern CA
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The stock in question is advertized as a goverment stock.
Yes there are 2 springfield armories.
One is the USGI armory that is closed and the other is SAI, the civilian arms manufacture in Gennisie IL.
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June 23rd, 2011, 09:13 PM
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#3 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond
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The Springfield Armory was a U.S. government facility located in Springfield, Massachusetts. It closed in 1968. http://www.nps.gov/spar/index.htm
Springfield, Inc. was founded in 1974 and does business as "Springfield Armory". It is located in Geneseo, Illinois.
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June 23rd, 2011, 09:19 PM
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#4 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston
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ooo ok. Is there a way to confirm whether or not a stock is original USGI
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June 23rd, 2011, 10:33 PM
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#5 | | Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island NY
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Yes there is but I dint know the details of the marks. They are found under the steel butt plate. I have a Sykes. Another way to tell is the proof makrs and other assorted stamps on the side or bottom of the stock. Some GI stock may have been sanded and yes there are people out there with stamps and they forge stocks for GI. Why I have no idea considering the cost of a gi stock is not really going to break the bank.
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June 24th, 2011, 05:32 AM
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#6 | | Lifer
Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA
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From M14 Rifle History and Development Fifth Edition:
"Generally, commercial market wood stocks will not have a selector cutout. There has been at least one exception though. In 2005, Fulton Armory offered an unfinished new manufacture walnut USGI pattern M14 stock with or without the selector cutout. It was made by Boyds’ Gunstock Industries and marked BOYDS in the stock barrel channel."
Some USGI Springfield Armory stocks were stamped S A under the butt plate. All USGI M14 stocks will have a selector cutout.
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June 24th, 2011, 07:17 AM
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#7 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA
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Originally Posted by TheTinMan  The Springfield Armory was a U.S. government facility located in Springfield, Massachusetts. It closed in 1968. | Robert McNamara, in his eternal wisdom, shut it down after 174 years of operation.
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June 24th, 2011, 07:43 AM
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#8 | | Lifer | Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTinMan The Springfield Armory was a U.S. government facility located in Springfield, Massachusetts. It closed in 1968. http://www.nps.gov/spar/index.htm
Springfield, Inc. was founded in 1974 and does business as "Springfield Armory". It is located in Geneseo, Illinois. | On 'Wikipedia'(on which site many if not most entries are not truly 'vetted' by an authority on a subject, but written by persons with their own 'slant')...there is an 'interesting' editorial comment about this under their entry for "Springfield Armory"...
"Unfortunately, many people purchase that company's weapons thinking they are getting the high-quality arms produced in Springfield, Massachussetts; however they are not." 
CAVman in WYoming
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June 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM
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#9 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond
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Originally Posted by CAVman On 'Wikipedia'(on which site many if not most entries are not truly 'vetted' by an authority on a subject, but written by persons with their own 'slant')...there is an 'interesting' editorial comment about this under their entry for "Springfield Armory"...
"Unfortunately, many people purchase that company's weapons thinking they are getting the high-quality arms produced in Springfield, Massachussetts; however they are not."
CAVman in WYoming | You really need to confirm anything you read in Wikipedia. Anybody can enter or "update" (read "edit") material on that site, and there seems to be a "higher education bias" if you know what I mean. Even hard science like electronics is not always reliable.
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June 24th, 2011, 08:08 AM
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#10 | | Lifer
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lilburn, GA
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What on earth do you mean????? Always these rubs agianst higher education....do you want your children to be idiots or successful professionals????
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June 24th, 2011, 09:39 AM
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#11 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Epping, NH
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| While true for production, their is an outstanding Parks Service museum on the site.
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June 24th, 2011, 01:03 PM
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#12 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston
Posts: 405
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Originally Posted by Different From M14 Rifle History and Development Fifth Edition:
"Generally, commercial market wood stocks will not have a selector cutout. There has been at least one exception though. In 2005, Fulton Armory offered an unfinished new manufacture walnut USGI pattern M14 stock with or without the selector cutout. It was made by Boyds’ Gunstock Industries and marked BOYDS in the stock barrel channel."
Some USGI Springfield Armory stocks were stamped S A under the butt plate. All USGI M14 stocks will have a selector cutout. | You sir are invaluable....may you live a long and healthy life(not just because your a wealth of info LOL ) Quote:
Originally Posted by CAVman On 'Wikipedia'(on which site many if not most entries are not truly 'vetted' by an authority on a subject, but written by persons with their own 'slant')...there is an 'interesting' editorial comment about this under their entry for "Springfield Armory"...
"Unfortunately, many people purchase that company's weapons thinking they are getting the high-quality arms produced in Springfield, Massachussetts; however they are not."
CAVman in WYoming | Really..maybe a liberal wrote that 
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December 26th, 2011, 09:20 PM
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#13 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Union OR.
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Higher education but they also need street smarts not just how to use a key board. I have a friend smart as a whip dumb as a rock.
Packing
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December 27th, 2011, 09:19 AM
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#14 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: st louis
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Originally Posted by hammonje What on earth do you mean????? Always these rubs agianst higher education....do you want your children to be idiots or successful professionals???? | During ones INFREQUENT DEPARTURES FROM THE IVORY TOWERS, you must sometimes face a rude and harsher reality. Quote:
Originally Posted by Packing a 45 Higher education but they also need street smarts not just how to use a key board. I have a friend smart as a whip dumb as a rock.
Packing | Some media person commented about "not knowing anyone like that or anyone who voted for that candidate"...and then realized the truth of the statement. They live in a self imposed isolation from the realities that everyone else faces daily; they live in a gated community or an apartment building with 24 hour security. It is also unlikely that they served in the military. 9-11, Hurricane Katrina...pick something you prefer! should have enlightened them, but didn't. They live in their own little world, know little about anything outside it, and yet will tell others how to live...and would do so by force if they only could...because they're smarter than you illiterate red necks...and you lack the education or intelligence to understand your superiors.
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December 27th, 2011, 09:23 AM
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#15 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by hammonje What on earth do you mean????? Always these rubs agianst higher education....do you want your children to be idiots or successful professionals???? |
Ive known quite smart people who come out of Universities as dumb*sses, Higher education does NOT mean 'more intelligent' usually just means more indoctrinated
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