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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:13 AM   #16
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VN era Sniper individual issue, all I need is the watch.

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 08:49 AM   #17
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These are new, removed from the same wrappers as in the original pics. The white powder desiccant has been removed from the metal parts, using CLP and a soft toothbrush.


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10. Rifle fork?

I hate to even ask and hear all the remarks but here I go, what is that for? A rest?

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10. Rifle fork?

I hate to even ask and hear all the remarks but here I go, what is that for? A rest?
They were made by a company called "Freeland." They were supposed to hold the rifle in position while scanning and making adjustments in a hide. If you use them for actual shooting, you still need to use both hands and apply all the basic fundamentals. The top fork has rubber sleeves.

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VN era Sniper individual issue, all I need is the watch.
This photo illustrates how fictionalized some of the info in GI manuals can be. Generally, the text in manuals is accurate but photos often leave much to be desired. In this photo the entrenching tool is the newer M1967 but the cover is the older M1956. The M1967 E tool will not fit in the M1956 cover, but whoever placed the items for the photo likely concluded it would not matter. I believe this photo came from the 1969 dated Army manual on sniping and covers for the M1967 tool were readily available at that time. It can only leave you wondering what else is incorrect.

Additionally, the early M14 rifles from Springfield Armory included a sealed black color fiber tube labeled B.I.E. KIT FOR M14 RIFLE in which was packed all the buttstock cleaning equipment and a selector and spring. These were issued for only a short period of time.

The Universal Small Arms Ammunition Pouches in Kurt's photo were an Army issue item. The Marine Corps issued the M1961 pouch that carried a single magazine. If you ask why the difference, try getting in the prone position while wearing the Army issue pouches .....

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They were made by a company called "Freeland." They were supposed to hold the rifle in position while scanning and making adjustments in a hide. If you use them for actual shooting, you still need to use both hands and apply all the basic fundamentals. The top fork has rubber sleeves.
You are correct. Freeland's Scope Stands was a long established company that sold many unusual items. They are long gone, but I believe they were located in your neck of the woods ...

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I'm not sure that is a 56' cover, no hole for the handle. I have a very early soft nylon cover for my E tool.

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The e-tool cover in the photo was limited /experimental. It was for the folding tool, but had two cover snaps and a bayonet holder.

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Perhaps it is an early experimental cover. However, since it was never an issue item it does cause the photo to be inaccurate with respect to the issue items utilized by a sniper. My only point is that GI manual illustrative photos are not always a reliable source of info.

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More useless info :

The M1956 ammo pouches that we associate with the M14 were actually designed to hold BAR mags. That is why they are stamped "universal."

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The M1956 ammo pouches that we associate with the M14 were actually designed to hold BAR mags. That is why they are stamped "universal."
I would add that their size was determined not only by BAR mags but also by Carbine 30 rd mags, and clipped .30 cal ammo for the M1 Rifle was also carried in them. And if you look in an M79 Grenade Launcher Field Manual you will see an illustration of 40mm rds being placed in these pouches. And if you look in an early FM on the XM16E1 or M16A1 rifles you will see an illustration of three 20 rd M16 mags in one of these pouches. So they truly were "universal."

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My issue mag pouches were only for a single mag and had a brass snap to hold the top down. I had heard about the ones you show and how much cleaner they keep mags.
Thanks for the thread.
Art, the single magazine pouches were the M1961 pocuhes as used by the USMC. The M1956 universal magazine pouch as shown by Kurt was used by Army personnel armed with the M14 rifle. It could accomodate other magazines like M16 magazines but it was a perfect fit for the M14 magazines. Rick

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The Universal Small Arms Ammunition Pouches in Kurt's photo were an Army issue item. The Marine Corps issued the M1961 pouch that carried a single magazine. If you ask why the difference, try getting in the prone position while wearing the Army issue pouches .....
We had to keep our web gear adjusted loose enough to fit thru the sides of a parachute harness. All the buckles had to have 100 mph tape over them and gutted 550 cord was used as back up to all the slide/lock keepers. Basically, this meant that the whole harness just "hung" on you and the belt never got buckled. It was easy to "go prone," because the crap would just spread out along side of you.

I don't know how today's troops can get close to the dirt, with all that armor and chest rigs.

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i thought I was looking at a post from you in the PX and then I realized it was too good to be true. Cool stuff!
I'm guessing the stuff in the first post would probably cost 5-6 bills nowadays.

If anyone still has Christmas money to burn, I'm not married to it.

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