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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #1
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My Scout in Her CA Compliant Archangel

This is a little project I've been working on-and-off -- convering an Archangel stock to comply with CA law. All pics are taken after this morning's 100 round break-in. Though somewhat less than perfect I'm relitivly pleased with the results -- at least they're not too embarassing to share. Overall the rifle was comfortable to shoot in this configuration and was grouping at least as well as she does in My USGI walnut stock, if not slightly better. The last two pics are of areas of concern that I shall continue to monitor as I send more rounds down range.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #2
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Looks good. What kind of scope and how do you like it?

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Old August 27th, 2012, 07:02 AM   #3
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It's Leupold Scout. It's OK for now. I think I'd really prefer something with a BDC, like the Burris I see some of the guys here posting, but for setting up for a single BZO type range it's fine. Overall for me it makes the whole rig seem slightly nose heavy and I'm considering picking up a Sadlak mount and going with a traditionally mounted scope to move the center of gravity back and gain a little more magnification.

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RE: Scout Scope
Why not a red dot like Aimpoint? I like Aimpoint COMPM4S up there, Aimpoint allows shooting left of right handed around cover, it works with dominate or non-dominate eye.

I do have some questions about the archangel stock if you have time to respond. Is it noticably heavier than traditional wood/SAI synthetic stock(s)?

Since optic is low do you really get ergonomic benefits from this stock?


BTW: Sadlak optic mount is the only way to go. Tell Mike/Dee I sent you!!!

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Old August 27th, 2012, 07:50 AM   #5
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I went scope over dot because I'm finding that I like the little bit of magnification. Shooting it both eyes open is feeling very natural and even if I do move back over the receiver I don't think I'll go over 4X -- something ACOGish.

Using the very scientific step-on-the-bathroom-scale method I'm showing a 0.3 lb difference between the two configurations. The wood stock has a sadlak sling-swivel rail and a light sling on it, so subtract a couple more ounces for just a wood stock.

With the low mounted optic I personally do not get much benefit out of the cheek riser, but My Daughters shoot the weapon as well, and my 14 year-old in particular has always complained about not being able to get a comfortable cheek weld. Never enough to prevent her from shooting, mind you. Just enough to complain. Now she can just dial herself up and quit her b*tching while hogging all my ammo.


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3lbs under or over the wood/synt.???

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Old August 27th, 2012, 08:04 AM   #7
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point three pounds over. editing the original post.

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I went scope over dot because I'm finding that I like the little bit of magnification. Shooting it both eyes open is feeling very natural and even if I do move back over the receiver I don't think I'll go over 4X -- something ACOGish.

Using the very scientific step-on-the-bathroom-scale method I'm showing a .3 lb difference between the two configurations. The wood stock has a sadlak sling-swivel rail and a light sling on it, so subtract a couple more ounces for just a wood stock.

With the low mounted optic I personally do not get much benefit out of the cheek riser, but My Daughters shoot the weapon as well, and my 14 year-old in particular has always complained about not being able to get a comfortable cheek weld. Never enough to prevent her from shooting, mind you. Just enough to complain. Now she can just dial herself up and quit her b*tching while hogging all my ammo.

Thank you for the info on the stock, I have been seriously considering one since they have come down in price. ACOG is the only thing I can think of that would allow both eyes open and magnification back on the receiver mount. I would recommend something that I did, I bought a back up optic for 69.99 off Gunbroker a discontinued Barska 1.25-4.5X26mm (30mm tube) (I've bought seven of them now) you can't break them, and they just give you a peace of mind if you are like me and are really dependent on optics now.

Link for my cheap backup optic source, I think he bought all they had when they discontinued the model.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=298829157

You can normally sell the barrel mount and hand guard for what SAI gets for them pretty easy on Gunbroker (I think 112.00 delivered, they normally sell pretty quick too)...I totally understand the ammo thing...but that's family and her familiarity could prove useful.

BTW every woman I have seen shoot a rifle (not shotgun - but rifle) tends to keep her head high over comb (even the professional shooters). My wife will not lay down on stock and get a cheek weld...I wonder if it has something to do with their breasts, I've always been to embarrassed to ask - even my wife.??? Dunno and don't expect an answer nor was this a hijack attempt. Let's let it rest please.

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point three pounds over. editing the original post.
oh my, that makes a big difference for me, thank you very much

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why did you plug up the area around the top of the grip? is it a ca thing or for comfort?

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It's a CA thing. If one may grasp the weapon in a manner in which the thumb can ride lower than the highest point of the trigger it can be considered a pistol grip and it would have to be mag-locked. I removed the mechanism for the adjustable length of pull as well. Let the wrong person decide that equals a collapsible stock and the weapon is not mag-locked and you're an insta-felon.

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so why did you get the stock? just looks mostly?

ever considering bedding into a mcmillan?

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Old August 27th, 2012, 07:18 PM   #13
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I hated the SA floppy stock it came with. When I looped up or leaned into a bipod I could actually watch the forend flex. I picked up a beautiful USGI wood but found I was sweating it every time I dinged it. I considered JAE, McMillan & Law483, but it comes down to a funding issue.

When I picked up the scout last year I introduced My Girls to shooting. My younger daughter has always complained about her cheek weld. By the time X-mas rolled around My older daughter had extracted a promise to get her own rifle and then had successfully lobbied for an AR. She even talked her Mom into it. At that point I'm faced with either honoring my word, or saying, "look at daddy's new stock dear, we cant afford your rifle yet" with a straight face.

So She got a Del-Ton and I got a stock that I could work on as a hobby then not feel bad about beating the $h*t out of. Someday, when I move to a free state or the silly laws here are struck down I'll start looking at getting a sexy EBR chassis like what's in your sig.

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Looks nice! I know you had to do what you had to do and it's not your fault, but the whole "CA compliant" thing makes me want to vomit. I hate what those SOBs are doing to you guys.

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id love to hear an explanation as to why the m14 here is less dangerous than one in an ebr chassis or at least one that doesnt involve witches and wizards, peter pan, or fairie dust but that might be too much to ask when we have the serious terrorest threat of 30oz sodas

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