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February 18th, 2012, 11:46 AM
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#16 | | Newbie
Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: LEFT COAST
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I know, older post here but still a good question. I'm getting ready to pick up a "Loaded" and have seriously considered grabbing a Millet scope from Optics Planet. Heard planty of good things about them for the price. Especially since I just dumped a wad on the rifle and stock. For the price it should be a good starting point for a scope. With illuminated milDot reticles, they're running 300-500 bucks.
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February 18th, 2012, 12:03 PM
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#17 | | Grunt
Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Maryland
Posts: 114
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It's not the "best" scope but it seems pretty good for a wide variety of situations.
My Bushnell/Horus HDMR 3.5-21x50mm (34mm tube/H58 Reticle) is a scope I am pretty happy with considering the price I paid for it ($875).
The HDMR goes low enough to have a wide FOV and high enough to get real friendly from a distance. Glass seems good on my HDMR.
Best cheap-o under $300 scopes I have found are fixed power scopes (10x42mm SWFA SS, Bushnell elite 3200) and one variable scope from BSA (4-14x42, Mil Mil, the only FFP scope they make).
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February 18th, 2012, 01:03 PM
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#18 | | Rifleman
Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Northern Idaho
Posts: 79
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I have used some Weaver scopes in the past few years and am very impressed with their mechanical and optical quality. The better quality ones are made in Japan. They have a full line including fixed and variable power rimfire, sporting, and "Tacticool". Priced very nice compared to Leupold and owning both brands I cannot see a difference in quality that matches the difference in price.
They just came out with a line that is made by the ChiComs so beware of those.
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April 13th, 2012, 11:03 AM
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#19 | | Newbie
Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Fort Wayne
Posts: 3
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Sadly at this time, I could only afford a CenterPoint Illuminated 4-16x40mm Scope from Walmart, after a year it seems to hold at three inch groups but I am trying to get it tighter. I was a Sharpshooter in the Army National Guard and for twenty years since used AR's, SKS, etc but always wanted the M1A....next buy is the Troy Chassis with ATI stock. EVENTUALLY a PRS stock to make it a true SASS.
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April 13th, 2012, 06:22 PM
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#20 | | Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin, TX, USA
Posts: 2,589
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#'s 4 and 5 in UAWMAN's list are very good, but I couldn't afford one, much less both. When I scope a M1A I have an old steel Weaver K6 duplex micro-trac, cost me $40 barely used.
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April 22nd, 2012, 02:58 AM
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#21 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Surprise, AZ
Posts: 1,528
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I usually like high end scopes, I recently put a Redfield on my dads rifle and was impressed, take a look at them. Heard they was owned by Leupold
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April 22nd, 2012, 05:25 AM
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#22 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northwest Ohio
Posts: 137
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My M1A ATE an IOR Valdada scope.... I would avoid those. I just mounted a Leupold LR/T model on it though, and it seems to be working out nicely. Can't say enough about Leupolds... A lot of the folks on the optics forums give them crap about not being as clear as other brands, etc... but for no-nonsense shooting, they do the job nicely.
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April 22nd, 2012, 07:36 AM
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#23 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: colorado
Posts: 127
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As others said, it depends on your budget and your application. Because most of my shooting is done 200 - 600 yrds, clarity and magnification are primary concerns.
Arguably, Nightforce is the one to beat. Swarovski and Khales are others to lust after.
I truly believe you get what you pay for in optics. I've seen my share of $1,500 rifles excluded from their potential by the addition of a $200.00 scope. Conversely, I've seen $350 rifles mounted with $1,000 optics that perform exceptionally well.
It's always been a head scratcher for me as to why someone would spend $2,500 for a rifle, $200 for a scope fastened it in place with Lego rings and a Hasbro mount, feed it surplus ammo from a country they couldn't pronounce and call it a day.
Choosing a scope can end up being quite a quest. Front Focal or Rear Focal Plane? Target or Tactical Nobs? MOA or Inch? 30mm, 1" or? 40mm, 50mm or ? Reticule?
After a few months or years of hard use, it's pretty easy to understand where that extra money between a 'good' and 'great' scope is spent.
Take a $400 scope and hold it up to a $1,400 scope, that $1,400 scope up against a $2,400 scope. Parallax, Margin Distortion, Clarity, will be the first things you notice. The mechanics of the nobs, smoothness and precision of adjustments will be next.
My advice, no matter your application, is to spend the most you can afford.
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April 22nd, 2012, 12:27 PM
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#25 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mountain valley of eastern Utah
Posts: 325
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Originally Posted by jake2far  | Absolutely recommend SWFA SSs. Especially when you get the open-box deals from them on their site.
My 10X fixed HD is mil/mil and has never let me down.
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May 13th, 2012, 08:17 AM
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#26 | | Newbie
Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Communist Mexifornia
Posts: 2
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Originally Posted by trigger643 As others said, it depends on your budget and your application. Because most of my shooting is done 200 - 600 yrds, clarity and magnification are primary concerns.
Arguably, Nightforce is the one to beat. Swarovski and Khales are others to lust after.
I truly believe you get what you pay for in optics. I've seen my share of $1,500 rifles excluded from their potential by the addition of a $200.00 scope. Conversely, I've seen $350 rifles mounted with $1,000 optics that perform exceptionally well.
It's always been a head scratcher for me as to why someone would spend $2,500 for a rifle, $200 for a scope fastened it in place with Lego rings and a Hasbro mount, feed it surplus ammo from a country they couldn't pronounce and call it a day.
Choosing a scope can end up being quite a quest. Front Focal or Rear Focal Plane? Target or Tactical Nobs? MOA or Inch? 30mm, 1" or? 40mm, 50mm or ? Reticule?
After a few months or years of hard use, it's pretty easy to understand where that extra money between a 'good' and 'great' scope is spent.
Take a $400 scope and hold it up to a $1,400 scope, that $1,400 scope up against a $2,400 scope. Parallax, Margin Distortion, Clarity, will be the first things you notice. The mechanics of the nobs, smoothness and precision of adjustments will be next.
My advice, no matter your application, is to spend the most you can afford. | I agree I saved up for over two years and did a lot of searching on high end optics in that time while looking for the right scope for my special build Springfield M21. I wanted a high mag scope due to my eyes. I was going to go with the S&B variable 50 power scope. until I found the 8X80 March. Everyone I talked to thought I was crazy. I waited 2 years for Springfield to build that rifle and I wanted the best that I could find for it. When I received the scope I took it to my favorite gun shop and we compared it to the scopes that they had in the shop. They had a Nightforce variable 24 power and all of the salesman and a few buyers compared them together at the same power settings and for the most part everyone agreed the March was a better scope. The Nightforce was the same price that I paid for the March. With the shipping charge for the March and the Sales tax on the Nightforce. The Nightforce would have cost me more. When I took the rig to the range most of the shooters did not even know what I had but the ones that asked about it I let shoot and they were all blown away at how well they could see and how well the M21 fired I also have a variable 24 Swaro. the March is better but also costs more.
I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for at least when it comes to optics.
My advice save up for the best that you can buy when it comes to optics for a high quality fire arm like the M1a's , M14 and alike.
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May 13th, 2012, 02:17 PM
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#27 | | Squad Leader
Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Island
Posts: 261
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I just bought a Bausch and Lomb 10x tactical. If not that, the Leupold Mark IV M2 should suffice.
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May 13th, 2012, 04:16 PM
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#28 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: SoCal
Posts: 18
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Originally Posted by T11b I have a Nitrex 2, 3X15 scope on my NM M-1A and, for the price, I think it is a nice piece of glass. Natchez has close-out prices, with a rebate, for under $300."T" | I bought a Nitrex TR1 3-9x42 from Natchez and liked it so much I bought another just to have around. Japanese glass at an unbeatable price.
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May 13th, 2012, 06:25 PM
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#29 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Texas
Posts: 32
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Originally Posted by put a hole in it wow thanks for all the advise everyone. i have been looking at the Leupold mark 4 - 8.5-25 LRM1 and most of its used for 200 yds "the max range at my gun club" but know a few friends with farms that could extend that distance out to 600yd. i like the Nikon m223 3-12 scope on my ar but wanted to do better on my m1a and was curious what was common, thanks | My Luepold Mark 4 6.5x20 is a perfect fit on my 700 PSS, I can see the bullet splash on steel at 1000 yards and I don't lose my FOV at 100 at 6.5. I would not argue that Nightforce or March are better scopes, but the Leupold does everything I need perfectly. My M1A is a standard an will get a budget scope, a SWFA 10x42 SS. If it were a NM, M21 or M25 it would get a least a Mark 4. I would not go to the 8.5x25 Mark 4 unless I had a 338 Lupua and could make shots at 1500 yards.
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May 14th, 2012, 08:26 AM
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#30 | | Snappin In
Join Date: May 2012 Location: Denmark(Europe)
Posts: 32
| Buy the best cry only once
Schmidt Bender PM11 3-12-50(P3,ore P4)Double turn
If you got the money,,you got an scope for life plus 30 warranty:)
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