This is a discussion on Leupold Mark 4 VS Super Sniper HD within the Optics forums, part of the Gun Forum category; I am purchasing a complete optics package from Sadlak, as they are about 45 minutes from where I live, then will be having them install ...
I am purchasing a complete optics package from Sadlak, as they are about 45 minutes from where I live, then will be having them install my mount and the rest of it on a very happy upcoming Saturday.
Basically, even though these scopes are different and at different price points, I am stuck between the two. I would prefer to spend the less money, but this is and will be my only M1A for a long time and why not do it right the first time around?
So can you please discuss for me which of these scopes you might choose and why? I am definitely determined on a 10x fixed scope. Also, not too knowledgeable about parallax adjustment and how "necessary" it is.
The scope will be used primarily for range fun 100-500 yards, and for deer/stag/boar hunting in VT.
Rosemary, I just want to make a comment on a fixed 10x scope, for 100-500 yard target shooting at the range it would be perfect. But you also said you were gonna do some hunting in Vermont where shots at much less than a hundred yards are the norm. A fixed 10x at less than 100 yards gives very little field of view and could very well be blurry. Dont let parallax adjustment confuse you its a fancy name for Focus.
I would find someone with a 10x or greater scope and ask to check it out on the range to find out if 10x will work for you at hunting distances or not.
I was coyote hunting last year with my .220 swift and an 8x32 power pentax scope (expecting a long shot) on a gut pile out a 250 yards, after a few calls a coyote popped up over a hill at 26 yards! on 8x all i saw was a blurry mountain of hair I held center an sqeezed...got lucky.
Just something to think about, I still hunt with variable scopes but the heavy woods hunting i do the bottom number is never more than a 4x.
100-500 yards with 10X is like driving a race car to the grocery store, sure it looks cool but it's not very practical. The scope I have goes up to 10X which is great for seeing my shots at 100 yards but useless for target acquisition, that's when I crank it down to 1.8X. If you're really wanting the 10X you may want to consider a 3.5-10X Leupold especially considering the range you plan to shoot. You can set it to 10X and forget it till you need less magnification for something close up or for scanning/target acquisition.
I don't know why I'm fixed on the 10x fixed, but still seem to be...
I think that is your problem right there in that you're excluding other options without any logical rationale.
The mission drives the gear, not the other way around. There are some big advantages to a variable scope that have already been stated, and few disadvantages. I think it's worth considering unless you can articulate a compelling need for a fixed power scope.
I've owned an SS 10x and two MK4 10x's. I started with the SS, but upgraded to the MK4 within a year. I still own both MK4's, one is an M1 and the other an M3. The SS is a good scope and one heck of a deal for $299 (avoid the more expensive side focus model), but it's no where near as good as the MK4 both in glass quality and in toughness. You must bear in mind that the MK4 10x will cost you at least four times the price of the SS so you might want to take that into consideration when making your choice.
I'm in the same boat with pjomalley. I very recently bought the SS 10x. Even before I opened the box I thought how heavy it must be. I returned it. Bought a Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42 with the BDC reticle and side adjustment turrets. It appears to be an excellent scope with clear optics for about the same price as the SS. Lifetime warranty. I'm pretty sure it will serve my purposes and beyond. fyi
What are you getting in a $800 SS HD model that you aren't getting in the $300 version?
Go to the link I posted. they claim it's a "HEAVY DUTY" version of the scope. they claim it's "limited edition". I have read reviews while googling of people who haver this scope and love it. I have no personal experience with it. Just going off what I have read so far.
Based on target shooting and hunting in New England, I'm wondering why a "tactical" scope is necessary. Talking with someone at Leupold, I was told that the VX-3 line actually has better optics than the MK-4 line.
Don't get me wrong, the MK-4 is great for its intended purpose. Plus it's got the 30mm tube. Some of the variable magnification models are first focal plane too.
Have you looked at the VX-3 3.5-10x? You can get one with a Mil Dot reticle and their CDS (compensated dial system) set up for 7.62 Nato 168gr if you want for about what that "heavy duty" Super Sniper costs IIRC.
Personally, I'd rather have the 2.75x Lyman Alaskan on my Mauser for hunting in Maine much more than any 10x scope. Never actually been to Vermont but it can't be that different from Maine & New Hampshire.
Based on target shooting and hunting in New England, I'm wondering why a "tactical" scope is necessary.
Isn't half the point/fun of having an M1A is to have the finest shooting system available?
Should I expand my criteria for my scope's intended purpose?
Not only will it be for 100-500 yard range fun, it will also be for SHTH and thug protection, it will also be for VT hunting which yes has lots of trees but also has wide open fields as well, and also for the occasional 750-1,000 yard play day.
*ummm, I have never seen a forum edit out the word "******", what is with that????? does someone actually find the word ****** offensive??
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Expanding the criteria points to a 3.5-10X even more...
I have to admit I was just like you wanting tons of magnification on my scope, heck I had I Leupold Mk4 6.5-20X on my first rifle. It was great for seeing the holes I put in paper and spotting but when I was told to change targets it took me forever to find the target even at 6.5X. Then I talked to Valken about scopes and actually had a pretty lengthy post with lots of input from members regarding power and such and was talked into my USO 1.8-10X. Low power won't let you see the hole you put in something but it'll let you find what to put the hole in a lot faster... A thug with a hole in him is better than one without, remember it's rare they attack alone too so you may get one but if it takes you too long to find his buddy in the sight picture it's game over for you.
Also I know you said you have nothing better to do but sit and wait all day while hunting... Well I've noticed most game comes out early morning or dusk while it's still a little dark. You could hose yourself with exit pupil being only 4mm on a 10X40 fixed and needing it to be larger in order to see because your pupils are dilated due to the dark.
If you said this was strictly a bench gun or long range gun and that was it I wouldn't say anything about fixed 10X. But it sounds like you may need something to fill a few roles so why not get the equipment to do so? If you leave it at 10X the whole time what have you lost? But if you ever need less power you have everything to gain from having the variable.