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Old January 1st, 2010, 02:26 PM   #1
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New Millett M14 mount

I was browsing Millett's catalog for more info on the DMS-1 scope I was considering and noticed that Millett now produces an M14 mount (pg 11). Has anyone tried it yet? SWFA has it for $49.95...is it too good to be true?

From the Millett catalog:
"Improved over the military and civilian bases of the past, the Millett M1A mount is solid T6 and fits all military and aftermarket receivers. Requires removal of the striper clip guide at the rear receiver just in front of the rear sight. Improved thumb screw for easy tightening. Clamping screw on the forward part of the rail to assure zero. Positive hold and easy to remove and install. Strong enough for the largest scope, the M1A mount is ready for any mission."

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Old January 1st, 2010, 02:46 PM   #2
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Old January 1st, 2010, 03:03 PM   #3
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Is it too good to be true?
My guess: yes.

There are simply too many things that can be wrong with a scope mount: the finer points metalurgy, several screw threads, dozens of different dimensions, etc.

I've read enough tales of woe about people trying to diagnose problems with mounting optics that I wouldn't want to introduce any unnecessary variables. (Is the rifle suddenly inaccurate? Is the mount holding zero? Are the rings not holding? Is the scope bad? Am I just a bad shot?)

I've also heard too many reports of poor QC in Millett's scopes.

Of course, I also think you should pay $50 for one, try it, and report back to the rest of us...

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Old January 2nd, 2010, 12:52 PM   #4
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Of course, I also think you should pay $50 for one, try it, and report back to the rest of us...

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I ordered it and will report back after I've installed it.

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Old January 8th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #5
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I received the Millet mount from SWFA. The mount came in a plain white box with no instructions, but included three hex wrenches. The mount is aluminum and has as a matte black anodized finish. The top rail measured 5 3/8".

The mount it a three-point type that attaches to the side of the receiver with a large four-pointed star knob. It also has a clip guide key that is secured with a single hex head screw. The mount is held up off the top of the barrel ring via a hex screw that is locked into place with a set screw. This mount only has the horizontal ridge that mates to the side of your receiver. It also has a U-channel to allow the use of iron sights.

The mount went onto my Armscorp rifle with no major issues. When I first installed it I had tightened the the knob and then tightened the clip guide key screw which resulted in the rear of the mount being slightly canted to the right (yes, my rear sight was centered). Granted, I could still use my iron sights but it was off. I verified this using a length of thread run from my rear sight aperature to the front sight blade.

Being that the mount is aluminum, was able to muscle it a little to get it into alignment. I left the thread attached to the front and rear sights and used it as a guide. I loosened the clip guide key screw as well as the large knob. I then centered the rear of the mount and tightened the clip guide key screw, and then tightened the large knob. Viola!

I can say that this mount, so far, has exceeded my expectations of a $50 mount. In my opinion, Millet could be charging a whole lot more for this mount. I will be mounting a scope in the near future (I'm still debating on if I want to go glass or red dot) and will report back...

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Old March 5th, 2010, 02:58 AM   #6
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ya but how does it shoot that fifty dollar mount you get what you pay for

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The "large four-pointed star knob" on the side of the reciever is a bad idea.

The idea behing thumb activated screws, such as this star knob, is that they can be tightened and loosened quickly by hand without tools. This scope mount is not an application where quick removal is necessary or practical.

Also, the thumb screw prevents one from sucurely locking the bolt to the proper specification with a torque wrench. That is why most all mounts of this type utilize a .05" hex head bolt.

This mount will likely shake loose, as using a "finger tight" reciver bolt like this will indoubtedly not be secure enough.

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...The idea behing thumb activated screws, such as this star knob, is that they can be tightened and loosened quickly by hand without tools. This scope mount is not an application where quick removal is necessary or practical.

Also, the thumb screw prevents one from sucurely locking the bolt to the proper specification with a torque wrench. That is why most all mounts of this type utilize a .05" hex head bolt...
The idea is also to avoid stripping the screw if "too much" torque is applied. SAI uses the same type of attachment on the Gen III mount, and I was told they do that simply to prevent stripping the screw. It's been my experience that SAI bolt holes vary in how well they fit a particular bolt; the bolt wobbles in some and is very snug in others. Too much torque applied with a wobbly hole will strip the screw in no time. Preventing you from tightening it (sufficiently IMHO) will prevent that.

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The idea is also to avoid stripping the screw if "too much" torque is applied...Too much torque applied with a wobbly hole will strip the screw in no time. Preventing you from tightening it (sufficiently IMHO) will prevent that.
What?

Are you saying that having the mount come loose under recoil, from a bolt head design that is locked down by finger pressure, is better than standard hex bolts, simply because an incompetant user might accidentally tighten them too much?

I suppose that one could possibly damage the threads on their vehicle wheel by overtightening the lug nuts on them too, but I would not use finger tightened nuts just to prevent this.

As I originally stated, "locking the bolt to the proper specification with a torque wrench" is the correct way to secure mounts of this type.

Good luck with the mount.

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What?

Are you saying that having the mount come loose under recoil, from a bolt head design that is locked down by finger pressure, is better than standard hex bolts, simply because an incompetant user might accidentally tighten them too much?...
Not at all; I said just the opposite, which means I'm agreeing with you. If the bolt hole is improperly sized, which I found to be common on SAI receivers, your typical hex bolt will strip long before you reach the specified torque (in the case of the ARMS #18, that's 90-100 in/lbs). I imagine that knowing that about their receivers, SAI prevents you from applying the necessary torque by supply a thumb screw rather than a hex bolt. If the screw threads don't fully engage the hole threads, the limited portions that do engage are prone to stripping (ask me how I know). Indeed, to get an ARMS mount to stay put on an SAI receiver, I had to use a Sadlak bolt which properly engaged the hole and stood up to full tightening. And then some Loctite keeps it there.

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Well I tried one of these things on my Federal Ordinance receiver and w/very little effort managed to strip the bolt threads. Called Millet/Bushnell and there are no replacement parts, but I can send the whole schmeel back and they will send a new complete mount. That sounded kind of silly, so I says to myself, self, the hardware store w/ lotsa bolts (metric and SAE) will surely have one. Since the hardware store in the small town I live close to is apparently owned by communists, I cannot bring the rifle in, but the selection would not produce a bolt the would fit the threads in the mount. So I suppose I will return the whole darn thing and hope they have addressed the issue.

The mount looks good and should work, but I do wish it were steel in lieu of aluminum.

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Well I tried one of these things on my Federal Ordinance receiver and w/very little effort managed to strip the bolt threads... so I says to myself, self, the hardware store w/ lotsa bolts (metric and SAE) will surely have one. Since the hardware store in the small town I live close to is apparently owned by communists, I cannot bring the rifle in, but the selection would not produce a bolt the would fit the threads in the mount...
The bolt is #12-32 UNEF which you won't find at Home Depot. Sadlak sells them http://www.sadlak.com/si_rifle_parts_prices.html (look for part # 140010-3), and in my experience, their bolt will fit properly in holes that are too big and strip lesser bolts. Just be careful that it doesn't extend into the channel for the left bolt lug (some washers will fix that).

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