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Old May 7th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #46
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[QUOTE=joeM14;1118171]what are the "reputable dealers" - any good recommendations - I need to buy a few scopes
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Proceed in this manner - "There are no more reputable dealers"....... I'm not just referring to scopes. Every item you find for sale has been copied.

I got a Leupold scope last month directly from the Leupold factory, by way of a relative that works there. I have purchased other Leupold scopes only after calling them to verify the serial number.

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Old May 7th, 2013, 10:35 AM   #47
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I always thought Leupold had their glass made in China and was assembled here for a while?Iwas told this by a Leupold rep years ago ...I really dont know just what I was told.So many companies are doing this it would not surprise me one way or another, but copyright theft in quite another thing.

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You can also buy grey-market Aimpoints. You cannot have them serviced through the distributors here in the U.S. but will have to send them directly to Sweden. Aimpoint, Sweden will acknowledge the grey-market product serial numbers - but to get some work done on them - you will have to bear the cost of shipping both ways. That is why the U.S. distributors of Aimpoint are upset at companies that deal in grey-market products which are substantially less expensive and just as rugged (the exact same product) and so buyers are willing to take the risk.

Companies like Leupold have sent their cheaper hunting scope lines to be made in China. Many companies have the bodies of the scopes done in China and the optics done in Japan! The Chinese are just as capable as we or the Japanese are of building the mechanics (machining to tight tolerances est. by American scope companies) of the riflescopes.


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what are the "reputable dealers" - any good recommendations - I need to buy a few scopes
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Proceed in this manner - "There are no more reputable dealers"....... I'm not just referring to scopes. Every item you find for sale has been copied.

I got a Leupold scope last month directly from the Leupold factory, by way of a relative that works there. I have purchased other Leupold scopes only after calling them to verify the serial number.

caveat emptor
Liberty Optics and SWFA (here in Texas) and SWFA has their own line of "Super Sniper" scopes. These are very high quality scopes made in Japan. Don't be put off by the name.

It always amuses me when Americans wrinkle their noses at Japanese riflescopes and then swear by Japanese made cameras and medical optics!

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Old May 7th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #50
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I was a field manager @ Porsche, and then a senior quality manager @ Mitsubishi, then Mazda, then Isuzu. GM, in their infinite global greed in the mid-90s, bought Isuzu Commercial Truck, whereupon I "became" a GM engineer, with a front-row seat view to all of their wondrous management techniques which, I'll happily wager, will still fail them when our government's bailout money is all gone.

Of course, this economy will not help them (or Leupold for that matter...), and they will go under (glub glub) taking several billion of our tax dollars with them. And the UAW, who couldn't build something right if you took them by the nose, will finally get their come-uppence. Fact is, based on their latest benefits packages and those they'll see in the future, they pretty much already have!

(Please; no hostile comments from the UAW members in the audience: I know, I stood on the GM line and talked to them as they stalled and fidgeted their time away...)

I once said that there was one company I would NEVER work for, but it turns out they snuck me into their employ through the back door by purchasing the Japanese company I worked for. Then, when they began to go under (fiscally) in ≈ 2005, they divulged themselves of Isuzu and we were set free again. But by then I'd gone on disability.

Yup, we Americans originated statistical quality control, in the forms of Walter Shewart and later Deming, who could not sell his ideas to American automotive manufacturers in the '50s, but did successfully sell them to the Japanese with the historical results we've seen. Now, the American Society for Quality, (ASQ) and others, have formalized such processes.

Point is, anyone in today's global economy who does NOT pursue such statistical methods will fail.
Deming (Arthur?) could not get a hearing in the U.S. and so he went to Japan and helped their automobile revolution which took the world by storm! When will Americans learn - short term profit is not all there is to business survival. Built-in obsolescence is in the end self-defeating and came real close to destroying the American auto industry!

When Gale McMillan (famous family for rifle stocks and etc.) went looking in Japan to build his riflescopes, he saw European riflescope companies going to Japan as well to court the Japanese optics industry. The Europeans realized that the Japanese were just as good. Gale McMillan gave an account of how he saw banners of European companies covered up during his visits to the finest Japanese optics companies so that the world would not find out that some lines of European (read - German) optics were being manufactured in Japanese companies!

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Hmm,guess the third party company in china that makes scopes for Leupold didn't care to much about honoring patent law.

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Hmm,guess the third party company in china that makes scopes for Leupold didn't care to much about honoring patent law.
Unless in reality they are Leupold sancioned made over runs being made in China and sold on the grey/ black market

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Thats what i was getting at Nordlander, the Chinese are notorius for that. The overuns are usually intentional so the middle man makes a pile of dinero for themselves on the sly.

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From what I have seen is Hong Kong cares little of any patents or trade marks, as long as people want a high end product and see they can get a look a like for much cheaper then they will take the cheaper, and pray they work. Guess the saying is true that there is a sucker born every minute, and there isnt much to do but to send out the warning to potential buyers.

On a side note I have had some issues with my MKIV and sent it back to Leupold which took them 7 weeks to get it back to me and the issue wasnt fixed, the scope kept walking and wouldn't hold zero to save its life, so needless to say I returned it back to the dealer I bought it from and picked up a nice Vortex PST FFP 6-24 MOA, and haven't looked back since.

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I have never had any product quality issues when I have dealt directly with Leupold, (nor with Nightforce or Burris or whomever. Makes sense to deal with the manufacturers when it's your life on the line, yes?), but then, I'm a dealer for them. They do indeed have a growing problem with faker scopes, but they also have an informative section on their website dedicated to ID'ing those cheaper scopes.

http://leupold.com/resources/counterfeit-warning/

Of course, if you still do buy one "For the amazing sale price of only $62.50 for a brand-new Mk 4 with illuminated retical. All sales fully guaranteed [and final btw!!]! [and which assumes they are still at that phone number...]),

Then.. you be all a'twitter that you got a "Real steal of a deal!" and so you are completely responsible. You cannot get a genuine Mk4, illuminated, for only $59.00. The usual retail for that scope, a proper Leupold build, will run you upwards of $1200 or so. Now if you are, let's say, a well-paid "contractor" in the Greater Sandbox, and find yourself pinned down by one of these...


http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...ragunovSVD.jpg


....chambered in 7.62 X54 Dragunov of course, then you'll have a bit of time to consider your total idiocy! But then, however, there's nothing to keep you and your Cheaper-Than-dirt Mk4 scope [which suffers from shifting retical syndrome...] down in "the hole" at an estimated 800 m, sand then you can perhaps find a few private (zing..) moments to reflect (bah-zang...) on your incredible stupidity (but perhaps also on your amazing (pi-zank!) thrift... ) that will probably not get you out of your current bind.

You'll be thankful that M2 BFV [Bradley] answered the call, and then, later that night, you can do a special spiritual dance around the firepit, watching your"econoscope" melt down and placing an honest order with your local Leupold dealer. Like, you know, me.

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Anyway there are much better scopes out there than the Leupold. There are the middle of the line "tactical scopes" that will give more features for the money. The more expensive Leupold line that supersedes the Mk 4 line are way up there in price and I think that there better ones out there. Leupold have been up there for many years and so people think that they are still the best and that is simply not true. They "rested on their laurels" for too long and got overtaken by the rest of the industry. JMHO and the opinion of others in the scope industry that I respect.

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Anyway there are much better scopes out there than the Leupold. There are the middle of the line "tactical scopes" that will give more features for the money. The more expensive Leupold line that supersedes the Mk 4 line are way up there in price and I think that there better ones out there. Leupold have been up there for many years and so people think that they are still the best and that is simply not true. They "rested on their laurels" for too long and got overtaken by the rest of the industry. JMHO and the opinion of others in the scope industry that I respect.
Roger that,from what I have seen from the limited amount used by the Marine Corps and from my own personal use = fair optics and poor reliability.I swear by the German /European optics as the glass is incredible and reliability unquestionably the best. As the USMC Unertl was nearing 30 years old it is slowly being replaced by a Schmidt and Bender variable

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Hmmm. lesser-Q Leupold high end models? Possibly a matter of opinion I'd say, since the Leupold marque is still well represented in The SandBox. Not to mention their older "folded" spotter, and their newest tactical line of those, "hardened" for true battle field survivability.

Their CBQ models:

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scop...t-riflescopes/

or...

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scop...r-riflescopes/

And this...

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/spot...otting-scopes/

I'd still like a NightForce scope to play with. Maybe the good wife can find it in her heart to "liberate" about $5k from her Christmas "fun fund" next December?

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Yes, great info!

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