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Old November 11th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #16
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The one's I know about are Leupy, Aimpoint, C-More, and Eotech. Buy from reputable dealers.

Here's the arfcom Aimpoint ID I found in a few minutes searching

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=367860

Here's the Eotech
http://www.eotech-inc.com/documents/...hts%204-09.pdf

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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:28 AM   #17
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They're all from China, I mean Japan, same difference. Buy Nightforce and buy American....
I think it's been proven that NF scopes have Japanese parts in them, some scopes even being marked "Made in Japan". Want USA made... Buy US Optics, made in Brea, CA from machining the individual components to final assembly.

And there's knock-off everything out there. Know what you're buying, an educated buyer is what every salesman hates.


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I think it's been proven that NF scopes have Japanese parts in them some, scopes even being marked "Made in Japan". Want USA made... Buy US Optics, made in Brea, CA from machining the individual components to final assembly.

And there's knock-off everything out there. Know what you're buying, an educated buyer is what every salesman hates.
I did not know that about NF....

And yes, +1 for US Optics. I didnt mean to not include them.

Other than that I just think NF puts a better product out than Leupold (US made or otherwise). The glass clarity, resolution, and color spectrum are just flat out superior in the ones Ive handled. Id mount US Optics on all my rifles if I had the bank, so no argument there... I have an MST-100 coming on an M40A1 commemorative build from McMillan so looking forward to that....


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Don't even go there...There is a WORLD of difference between the Japanese and Chinese starting with Communisim and working down. The chinese are flooding the globe with counterfeit everything...

But......This thread is about fake Leupolds, and it will not become Poly Sci debate.
Yes, I know the difference, and understand the nefariousness of Chinese fakes as opposed to just "Made in Japan", and the info from the OP is good info. My comment was obviously facetious and NoExpert's info was also new information "to me" so I too learned something "because" of my post...

Still like Nightforce though...

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just joined the site, and just got a M-14, A Polytech and a nice Reuplod Mark 4 scope! A friend needed money and I helped him out and bought a couple of guns from him. I knew the scope was wrong a first sight, but checked it out online. the guy swears it a Leupold MK4, he got it from ebay for 600.00 bucks. He has had this scope for at least a year and never knew he was scamed.

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They're all from China, I mean Japan, same difference. Buy Nightforce and buy American....
Actually, even some real Leupolds are now made overseas, but they must meet Leupold's strict QC/QA mandates. Example? Their binocs, except for the Golden Ring HD line, are made in quality-controlled Japanese facilities. Celestron, that great once all-US telescope company, now has all their telescopes made in Japan, according to one of their reps at the SHOT show. Product quality actually improved. No big surprise if you've ever been in a Japanese factory.

Remember now: they taught us about proper Quality Control. Now if only the Chinese will learn that lesson; I'm willing to bet they will in a few more years. Remember Hyundai a few years ago? Utter trash. Now, they have the No. 1 rating for build Q from J.D. Power. Surprised?

The world as we know it is, and will continue to, change. And faster than we'd like.

Leupold has gotten the glass for their scopes from Germany, the US and most recently from Japan. Probably the same company that supplies Nikon's flawless optics.

I actually trust most Japanese products. We surely don't quibble about Nikons or Canons or Toyotas, now do we? Sure beats the heck outa the staggeringly bad build Q of ,say, GM [and their various US vendors] products (PS: I'm a recently retired GM field engineer who also worked in quality engineering for Mitsubishi, Mazda & Isuzu. No problems with their products.)

This thread has me wondering if the few folks who've posted here about problems with Leupold scopes may have been dealing with fakers.

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We surely don't quibble about Nikons or Canons or Toyotas, now do we?
I dunno, the whole accelerator pedal of death thing has me scared of Toyota. My brother's wife wouldn't buy another Toyota because of it, instead she got an Audi. Just saying...

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I dunno, the whole accelerator pedal of death thing has me scared of Toyota. My brother's wife wouldn't buy another Toyota because of it, instead she got an Audi. Just saying...
Funny! And ironic. About 1987 or so, when I was a field engineer for yet another company (Porsche, if you MUST know!!!), I visited Porsche-Audi dealers every day of the week, where the big political rage was how Audi was handling their "unintended acceleration"(U. A.) debacle.

Debacle, you say? Yup: turns out Audi's engineers had made the silly assumption that American drivers knew how to drive, that they could tell the diff between a gas, and a brake, pedal. Their pedal placement was organized for the more Euro manual-trans arrangements, and Euro drivers liked to "Heel and Toe", a technique for rapid mechanically stress-free downshifting in a manual trans.

But now we insert Mr & Mrs Everyman in the US, driving down to WalMart, and they occasionally took to hitting the gas pedal instead of the brake. Nothing wrong with the car, but a few people died (one woman ran down her own son, compressing him firmly into the end of her garage with her foot planted ever so firmly into the gas pedal...). Imagine telling her that it was her mistake....

Then, with so many folks having a lot of other unrelated problems (and seemingly uncaring responses from corporate VW-Audi) with their Audi 5000s (sunroofs, electrical issues, engine overheating, poor brake pad wear, and so on), many owners took to claiming the U. A. phenomenon, and demanding a full refund, even if they'd accumulated 70k or more miles on their Audi.

Folks DO love to hop on a convenient bandwagon, esp. if they think they might git somethin' fur nuttin'. Basic human greed coupled with American jurisprudence over-activity, huh?

I'm very leary of such claims, since in almost every case we subsequently find out there's no design flaws. Few people understand just how much careful engineering goes into your average sedan, and the Japanese are known to be intense perfectionists after all. (Look how carefully they planned Pearl Harbor!) I'm just sayin'

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Bought a VW Passett in 2003 thinking it was a better built car. It was the absolute worse car I've ever owned. It was back for recalls monthly and had more problems than any American built car I've owned. It was just poorly designed from the start beginning with the engine and drive train. VW ignored the problems until class action suits forced their hand.

Second to the VW was a 80's Datsun pickup. The three value engine never ran correctly and the dealer didn't have a clue how to work on it. At 14k, the head gasket blew and I dumped it. Had a Mitsubishi which while not bad had hi tech systems that few could actually fix.

As far as knock off optics, I've seen some around her buying the cheap versions simply for the look. Apparently they think the rails, lights and fakes optics actually increase their performance.

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Guys, if you stop and think about it, the Chinese are flooding us with fakes. Everything from name brand clothing, knives, optics about anything you can name and the trademarks are hard to detect. But then again our own Govt. has opened the doors to this and I IMO actually condone it. I try to buy American but it is getting harder everyday to find "MADE IN AMERICA"...........Just my 2 cents worth.
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Actually, even some real Leupolds are now made overseas, but they must meet Leupold's strict QC/QA mandates. Example? Their binocs, except for the Golden Ring HD line, are made in quality-controlled Japanese facilities. Celestron, that great once all-US telescope company, now has all their telescopes made in Japan, according to one of their reps at the SHOT show. Product quality actually improved. No big surprise if you've ever been in a Japanese factory.

Remember now: they taught us about proper Quality Control. Now if only the Chinese will learn that lesson; I'm willing to bet they will in a few more years. Remember Hyundai a few years ago? Utter trash. Now, they have the No. 1 rating for build Q from J.D. Power. Surprised?

The world as we know it is, and will continue to, change. And faster than we'd like.

Leupold has gotten the glass for their scopes from Germany, the US and most recently from Japan. Probably the same company that supplies Nikon's flawless optics.

I actually trust most Japanese products. We surely don't quibble about Nikons or Canons or Toyotas, now do we? Sure beats the heck outa the staggeringly bad build Q of ,say, GM [and their various US vendors] products (PS: I'm a recently retired GM field engineer who also worked in quality engineering for Mitsubishi, Mazda & Isuzu. No problems with their products.)

This thread has me wondering if the few folks who've posted here about problems with Leupold scopes may have been dealing with fakers.



Retired GM field engineer? I don't know you, but why would you work for a company that is supposedly shoddy? Why not work at one of those companies you posted about.

I too have been in many factories, it was the US that taught the Japanese about lean manufacturing, but of course you would know who the first lean manufacturer was...Henry Ford.

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It's almost hilarious the way these scopes appear......... There's at least one a week coming up on Craigslist or somewhere else. The seller becomes highly offended when I ask for the serial number. After I do a copy / paste from the Leupold website and they find they have a knockoff Leupold... they actually want to continue trying to sell it to me.....LOL..... at a discount, of course.

Maybe it's just the Holiday time or the long lasting recession but there are more scams and con artist appearing every day. Don't people make an honest living any more?

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Retired GM field engineer? I don't know you, but why would you work for a company that is supposedly shoddy? Why not work at one of those companies you posted about.

I too have been in many factories, it was the US that taught the Japanese about lean manufacturing, but of course you would know who the first lean manufacturer was...Henry Ford.
Well, it was, of course, more detailed than that. I was once (in 1963!) a parts worker for the then-new to the N. Am continent, Mazda, up in Vancouver Canada. Then I worked for 2 yrs with the Canadian BMW distributor, and also rode their bikes (R75/5 & R90S).

Then I went to university for a few odd degrees, chased some polar bears up north as part of my first M.Sc., and then eventually came back, in 1984, to be a Porsche factory engineer. Then, when their sales started to flag in about 1994 (due to marketing arrogance...), I took a very good position in engineering & QC with Mitsubishi, and then was Dept. Manager of all tech services & publications for Mazda again (surprised the heck out of one of the old-time Japanese when he saw my circa-1963 lapel pin!).

Unfort., Mazda lost about $2B in N. Am that year (not my fault, btw...), sold to Ford, who then laid a bunch of us who were making well over $100k, off. So I went, briefly, to AM General Hummer in S. Bend, IN, (with their intimate relationship to GM for powertrains...) but the mutt automotive union workers there didn't even know how to spell quality on the commercial H1 line, and given the opp, I "fled" west to join Isuzu Commercial Truck, which was then bought by GM 5 yrs later.

GM is/was the worst most incompetent management I've ever seen! Arrogant, uninterested in their customer's quality and durability concerns, but with some pretty good designs (the Corvette, the Solstice, and a few others; esp. that Isuzu designed DuraMax diesel.. esp. the still-in-hiding V-6 version: 240hp, 380 lb-ft of torque, 30+ mpg in a 3/4 ton truck. Want one? I do!)) but literally tragic build quality.

That's when I "retired". They should have been allowed to fail, as should Chrysler. Ford and the transplants who do know quality would have picked up any laid-off but productive workers, no problem. As it is, it'll be back to management as usual, but paid for by your's and my tax dollars. Nice, huh?

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Where can i buy 1 of these "Leupold" Mk4 scopes at??

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Retired GM field engineer? I don't know you, but why would you work for a company that is supposedly shoddy? Why not work at one of those companies you posted about.

I too have been in many factories, it was the US that taught the Japanese about lean manufacturing, but of course you would know who the first lean manufacturer was...Henry Ford.
Well, it was, of course, more detailed than that. I was once (in 1963!) a parts worker for the then-new to the N. Am continent, Mazda, up in Vancouver Canada. Then I worked for 2 yrs with the Canadian BMW distributor, and also rode their bikes (R75/5 & R90S).

Then I went to university for a few odd degrees, chased some polar bears up north as part of my first M.Sc., and then eventually came back, in 1984, to be a Porsche factory engineer. Then, when their sales started to flag in about 1994 (due to marketing arrogance...), I took a very good position in engineering & QC with Mitsubishi, and then was Dept. Manager of all tech services & publications for Mazda again (surprised the heck out of one of the old-time Japanese when he saw my circa-1963 lapel pin!).

Unfort., Mazda lost about $2B in N. Am that year (not my fault, btw...), sold to Ford, who then laid a bunch of us who were making well over $100k, off. So I went, briefly, to AM General Hummer in S. Bend, IN, (with their intimate relationship to GM for powertrains...) but the mutt automotive union workers there didn't even know how to spell quality on the commercial H1 line, and given the opp, I "fled" west to join Isuzu Commercial Truck, which was then bought by GM 5 yrs later.

GM is/was the worst most incompetent management I've ever seen! Arrogant, uninterested in their customer's quality and durability concerns, but with some pretty good designs (the Corvette, the Solstice, and a few others; esp. that Isuzu designed DuraMax diesel.. esp. the still-in-hiding V-6 version: 240hp, 380 lb-ft of torque, 30+ mpg in a 3/4 ton truck. Want one? I do!)) but literally tragic build quality.

That's when I "retired". They should have been allowed to fail, as should Chrysler. Ford and the transplants who do know quality would have picked up any laid-off but productive workers, no problem. As it is, it'll be back to management as usual, but paid for by your's and my tax dollars. Nice, huh?

Best company I ever worked for? Mitsubishi. Great guys, great products, great future.

Yep; it was originally American knowhow with advanced systemic QA & QC (my eventual specialty), but they also didn't want to invest in or even listen to it's author, who then went to Japan, where they were intensely interested, and have pretty much since then taught the world about functioning QA/QC systems.

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