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Old May 25th, 2008, 07:05 PM   #1
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Gentlemen,

First let me say to all the veterans out there on this Memorial Day weekend. both alive and passed; THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. We are forever in your debt as a nation.

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I have an opportunity to acquire an original Leatherwood ART II with the steel 2 point, multi-piece mount and immaculate fiberglass case. I have been searching high and low, here and elsewhere for a Technical Manual or some kind of manual for it. For sure, I don't know the number.

The cam and locking ring are loose and will need adjustment and I quite simply don't know what I am doing with this setup and I don't want to mess it up.

I have read a lot of bad opinions of this scope and mount and I am interested in anyones first hand opinions of it. Frankly, I don't know yet if I should pass it up or jump on it due to it's scarcity. We have not settled on a price yet. But I am sure he got it cheap. I will obviously need to find the correct Clip Guide for it too. If it's even available.

So, to all of you guru's out there, If you know the TM number associated with this scope. Or have a copy in PDF form, please let me know.

Thanks Mark.

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Old May 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #2
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I wish I could be of more help, as for the clip guide I think the standard guide was modified, it was just drilled and tapped for the mounts second screw.

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Old May 26th, 2008, 01:57 AM   #3
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Here is a link to a PDF file that has a chapter on the ART I and II's. Basic operations "how to" description click on the PDF symbol when you get there:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/100946/US-...niper-training

I believe the current iteration of the Leatherwood Company still does maintenance on the military versions although the link on their site is not active:

http://www.leatherwoodoptics.com/

Contact the late Jim Leatherwood's son to verify a quality service company. I believe he is still running the operation

In the meantime here is a link with tel # for Iron Sight Inc. who claims to be the repair depot for Leatherwood, they may have a source for your clip guide otherwise modify w/drill and tap on a standard version...

work the fix from both directions Leatherwood and Iron Sight:

http://www.ironsightinc.com/products.html

http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/artII%20repair.html

I cannot speak firsthand to the maintenance/repair quality of Iron Sight so do your homework.

Yes I had one I paid around 300 bucks for a few(?) years ago when the DCM was releasing them.

It was an ok scope, optics were vintage Redfield hunting scope grade. The ballistic cam is only as good as your ammo's quality and consistency

If you are buying it for performance, then I would offer that there are far superior products out there at less than a third of the current asking prices for a GI ART I or II

If you are buying it for vintage collector value then it is what it is.... "a collectible".

I sold mine after a year or two for 400 bucks and could kick myself when I look at the current 1,500 dollar prices

I am also scrounging around for another but only for the nostalgia piece of it and to improve on my aging vision at the 100-200 yard line...not sure I want to spring the current retail for one though


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Old May 26th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #4
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Here's another thread on the topic:

http://m14firinglineforum.com/upload...ad.php?t=55207

There have been several others in the last year or so.

Leatherwood used to have the ART II user's manual on their website but it is not there now.

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Old May 26th, 2008, 10:15 AM   #5
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Thanks Visigoth9,

That info was a big help. I went through every page of the FM and found the info in the last pages.

Thanks againd for the links to Iron Sight Inc. and Hi-Lux. That's a big help if service is req'd. I agree, Leatherwood's web site is pretty much crap.

I appreciate your time on this one.

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Old May 26th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #6
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Thanks 2336USMC for that link. I did what I thought were some pretty thorough searches, but didn't come up with that one. Mostly I got all of Art Lupino's posts.

And thanks again for the PM. Looking forward to the file.

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I have the manual that came with the scopes I obtained directly from Jim Leatherwood. Could make you a copy, if you need it.

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Old May 26th, 2008, 01:00 PM   #8
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The replacement for the clip guide allowing attachment of the rear screw was only used on commercial versions of the ART II. The military M21 rifles had the original clip guides drilled and tapped for the rear screw. The screw is a 1/4"x28 tpi and the hole must be countersunk for the bevelled sleeve on the rear screw. The clip guides are a hardened part (very hard) and should be drilled with a 7/32" carbide tipped bit. Using the proper #3 drill bit will not allow enough diameter for the tap in a part this hard.

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Old May 27th, 2008, 06:04 PM   #9
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Thanks for that heads up Ted. I appreciate it. Actually I found that Iron Sight Inc. Has them for $44 shipped. Maybe I'll go that route. I don't think I have any spare Clip Guides. I knew the thread size. I just thought I would probably screw up the location. Although, it looks like I have some wiggle room. Plus I would need the 7/32 carbide bit and probably a spare tap.

You guys are all a big help.

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Old May 27th, 2008, 08:18 PM   #10
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Mark,

I bought an ART II set-up a couple of years ago and wound up making my own tapped clip guide. I used a USGI guide and located the hole center on the guide by installing the clip guide I wanted to use, then mounted the scope and tightened the mount securely to the receiver. Next I turned the mount screw that would screw into the clip guide several times while pushing against it with a fair amount of force until it scored the surface of the clip guide. It left a tiny circle scratched on the side of the clip guide. I removed the clip guide from the rifle and then after finding the center of the small circle, I used a center punch to mark it for drilling the pilot hole. You will need a 1/4-28 bottom tap to tap to a depth of 1/2" and then counter sink the tapped hole to a depth of 1/16" for the bevelled sleeve on the mount. Mine turned out perfect. HTH

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Many thanks! I printed it off and the info will be most helpful.

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These guys might be able to help you. They have the clip guide you need in stock

http://ironsightinc.com/index.php?ro...on/leatherwood


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Old September 17th, 2012, 05:32 AM   #14
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I tapped my own clip guide. I put a propane torch on it for 15 minutes to anneal it. Use lots of cutting oil, clean it, and back the tap in and out. Use carbide taps. If it breaks, at least you can use a punch to break it out.

Or send your setup to Ted. I think he offers this service.

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