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Old May 9th, 2017, 05:28 AM   #1
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MOA or MIL?

Here's a question for those of you that use reticles that are MOA or MIL based. In the past I've used BDC type reticles, but now I'm wanting to try my hand at an optic for a Bula build has a MOA or MIL based reticle. What's your preference and why do you prefer it? Cheers!

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Old May 9th, 2017, 05:33 AM   #2
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I went with a mil based Vortex scope because the recticle was graduated in mils. No computations are required to convert the mils to moa, just turn the knobs.

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Old May 9th, 2017, 06:02 AM   #3
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For known-distance bullseye shooting, MOA would be better because that's how the scoring rings are spaced.

For actually using the mils or moa marks to estimate distance, I think either could be used equally well. But you need to continually practice doing the mental calculations, remembering the baseline measurements, and know the come-up changes.

A BDC that is designed for a specific cartridge and target's size (e.g. a deer) is much more simple because the scope 'remembers' all those pesky details.

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Old May 9th, 2017, 06:35 AM   #4
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MOA for me, only because that's all I've ever used and I'm very comfortable with that type of measurement ... I look at MIL based scopes and ballistic charts and can't help but think there's a whole lotta something missing. LOL!

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Old May 9th, 2017, 06:42 AM   #5
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For actually using the mils or moa marks to estimate distance, I think either could be used equally well. But you need to continually practice doing the mental calculations, remembering the baseline measurements, and know the come-up changes.
Jay, I highly favor using mils for range estimation. The math is a lot easier especially when dealing with human sized targets. For instance, an E type target that measures 1 mil is at 1000m. If it is 2 mils, it is at 500m and if it is 3 mils, it is at 370m and if it is 4 mils, it is at 250m. Besides, calculators like the Mil Dot Master use mils. Rick

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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:43 AM   #6
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Doesn't matter. There are just different ways to measure the same thing. But you MUST make sure the reticle and the turrets use the same units. MOA reticle and MOA turrets or Mil reticle and Mil turrets. Don't mix the two, that's where it gets confusing.

All previous posters have good points. If used for range estimation then learn the formulas for the units you chose. If used for adjustment it boils down to how many little marks are you off and how many clicks does it take to move one little mark. Multiply the two and you have the correction. (see 1st paragraph, 3rd sentence) Forget inches and centimeters and use your scope.

Oh, and did I mention to get a scope where the reticle and turrets use the same units?

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Old May 9th, 2017, 08:01 AM   #7
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I always liked the idea of sticking with Mils as it's seems to be the preferred by armed services and professionals around the globe (so I've read). That doesn't make it better, it's just what interests me.

Also, like another post mentioned....do however try to make your math easier by matching turrets to your reticle.

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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:38 PM   #8
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604flyer,

I was not sure but have tried zeroing my new SWFA 3-15 x 42 on my M1A with TWO shots and it did work and got me close and on paper @ 103 meters...

I have A LOT to learn but am a Mil/Mil guy for sure!

Cannot wait to try rangeing and long range stuff

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I like to shoot long distance and I prefer Mils.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #10
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I prefer mils for any shooting past 600Yards. Within that I think a BDC more usable.

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Old May 9th, 2017, 10:03 PM   #11
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MIL/MIL myself due to being the same everywhere. Every time I've seen a decent MIL scope it's graduated at .1 MIL per click on the turrets. MOA on the other hand I've seen at 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and even 1 MOA per click and sometimes mixed between the turrets on the same scope.

Go with whatever you find easiest to think in, but try to get it all matched to make your life easier.

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Old May 10th, 2017, 09:37 AM   #12
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MOA. Calculations are simple.

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Old May 10th, 2017, 11:22 AM   #13
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MOA vs. MIL? IMHO, there isn't a right or wrong answer. In practical application I've been switching back and forth between the two for ever now.
Now mind you I was still in school when the U.S. Congress passed a law that was going to put us on the metric system, so we kind of got the conversions driven into us back then. No matter how you measure it the bullet is still at the same distance.

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Old May 10th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #14
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If at a long range match and a coach giving you adjustments will most likely be in MOA for the targets are at a known distance, no range estimating required. Shooters will not likely have all the same optics with same amount of adjustment per scope so that is the reason for the call on adjustment would be in moa. One click being 1/4" and a .1 mil would be more like 1/3" per click at 100yds., moa is a finer adjustment per click. A scope with 1/8th moa is a royal pain for takes twice as many clicks to get you where you want to go, works OK but just more work than 1/4 or even 1/2 moa. Few shooters can hold one quarter moa and it would be a rare M14 that shot quarter inch groups. Your NM M14 sights are half minute and not likely the M14 will outshoot it's sights so to speak. As an example it is useless to try a quarter minute adjustment for whatever sights at extended ranges as 1000yds. for a full minute is 10" out there and if you are kissing the 9 ring it will take more than 2.5" to get closer to the X which is some 10" or 1moa.

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MOA. Calculations are simple.
It depends on what you are trying to calculate. MOA is great when you are dealing with inches of displacement at known distances. Not so good when trying to estimate ranges to the target. Each has its strong points - application dictates what is best.

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