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Old April 1st, 2017, 12:24 PM   #1
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Scope options - anyone have any thoughts?

Anyone on here have any experience, thoughts, pros/cons, warnings, kudos etc about any of these optics as an optic for my M1A scout for deer / elk / hog hunting - with some ranged target shooting too:

1. Primary Arms 6-24X50 Front Focal Plane Scope with Patented ACSS HUD 308 Reticle

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Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50mm

3. Millett Tactical 6-25x56mm

4. Nikon ProStaff 4.5-18x40mm

5. Leatherwood / Hi-Lux ART II M1200 6-24x50mm

I do have the ATN LaserBallistics1000 LRF + the app to go with it for quick ballistics calculation and reticle adjustments if that helps make any difference to the conversation.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 12:33 PM   #2
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I have used the vortex listed and it was a quality piece of glass. It tracked well and was clear. I have nikons not that one but others and have been pleased with them as well. I think you would be pleased with either of the two. Nikon has a turret system I think made by Kenton industries. They are load specific turrets like the luepold CDS system.

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Check out the new Gen III 1-6x from Primary Arms. I love it. I would vouch for PA for the value although those are all very nice scopes


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I would purchase them in the order you have them listed.

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Seems like your shooting range could be from up close out to a few hundred yards. I would suggest 1x-2x on the low end to 5x-9x on the high end. 6x up close is way too much and 18x or more is varmint shooting.

It's all about quality glass.


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You sure do like those high power optics huh. First things first. Get that chicom leatherwood garbage out of your mind. I don't have the time nor desire to go into detail what a POS those things are.

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You sure do like those high power optics huh. First things first. Get that chicom leatherwood garbage out of your mind. I don't have the time nor desire to go into detail what a POS those things are.
I agree on the Leatherwoods, their glass stinks for clarity and focus since they went China manufacture.

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My vote would be for the Vortex. The Viper PST scopes are good for the money (especially for your intended use) and the warranty is top notch. Unless you're taking shots at very long range you'd be well served with a 2.5-10x or similar optic. The Viper PST has a first or second focal plane option in that range.

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Anyone on here have any experience, thoughts, pros/cons, warnings, kudos etc about any of these optics as an optic for my M1A scout for deer / elk / hog hunting - with some ranged target shooting too:

1. Primary Arms 6-24X50 Front Focal Plane Scope with Patented ACSS HUD 308 Reticle

2.
Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50mm

3. Millett Tactical 6-25x56mm

4. Nikon ProStaff 4.5-18x40mm

5. Leatherwood / Hi-Lux ART II M1200 6-24x50mm

I do have the ATN LaserBallistics1000 LRF + the app to go with it for quick ballistics calculation and reticle adjustments if that helps make any difference to the conversation.
I would definitely put the Vortex on the top of the list. They make great scopes with premier lenses. I've checked out several of Vortex's against Nikon and Leupold upper end scopes and only did some of the higher cost Leupold's slightly beat the Vortex in my opinion. The Nikons didn't even come close in focus and clarity vs the Vortex Viper's So save some cash and go with Vortex in my opinion. They also come with a lifetime warranty no questions asked.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 07:11 PM   #10
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My concerns with the 1-??x or the 2.5-??x are that my vision just isn't as good as it used to be... I mean I can see the bullseye at 100 yards, but that is because of the contrast of it on the target, and it is fuzzier than I'd like it to be, personally. I'd be concerned with ranging something at 300-500 yards and not being as trained in on that animal's kill zone as well as I'd like for the humane kill - hence the reason I'm more prone to the notion of something in a 4, 5 or 6x as a starting point comparatively.

I wish there was a way to rent scopes like I used to rent camera lenses - that way I could try the different ranges and see if I really can function with a lower power like you all think is a more logical choice.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 08:17 PM   #11
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The power range you have listed will limit your usefulness in the field. The higher end is just about useless unless you are on a bench and in very good conditions as heat mirage will keep you down in the 15 to 18 power range. Without a good rest in the field the high end magnification will also be hard to use because of shake.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 08:22 PM   #12
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A good range in the field that would handle your needs would be in the 4.5 X 14 range. if you want to spend some cash you can go up to the 3x15 or 5 x 22 range. The biggest downfall is weight.

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Vortex if Viper and up......love my Vortex Vipers but mine are for groundhogs....6.5-20X50

Nikon if on a budget.....I have a few that perform well.....my favorite being 3-9X50 on a couple night hunting rigs for predators.....

My favorite hog rifle is a 243 with that Nikon Pro Staff 3-9X50.....inexpensive and has lasted....

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The minimum quality I would get is the Vortex 6-24x50 you mentioned. You don't always have to be on the highest power, and the glass is better as well as the turret quality. If you're going to be shooting at many distances and turning the elevation turret a lot, you want a quality one that tracks correctly and most cheaper scopes just don't cut it.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 05:47 AM   #15
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Hey W.L.- You can rest assured that if you get a quality scope your vision will be as good as the scope. Think of it as custom long range glasses. You would be better served by a more expensive, good quality scope with a lower power range than a cheaper, poor quality scope with a higher power range.

Also- research the various reticles and don't get too complicated.

Now in my opinion, as far as attempting to shoot game at long distance, a hunter should be realistic in their own ability at those distances. What I mean is this- I can shoot with precision if I know the range and I'm shooting from a rest. Throw in variables like judging wind speed, direction, slope, whatever and I would limit my range to 300 yards+/-. Imagine the size of the kill zone, throw those factors in with the limited accuracy of the rifle, and pick your max range; remembering that you are shooting to kill- not wound.

I understand that in your region you may have opportunity to hunt long range, but ask yourself what the closest shot might be. My three closest shots while still hunting; 3 yards, 10 yards, and 23 yards. At those ranges I consider three power worthless and while still hunting keep my scope at 1x. It's easier to keep it low and adjust to a higher setting for a careful long range shot than to keep it at a high power and adjust to a low power for a quick short range shot.

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