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Old April 19th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #61
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I'd have went with the tried and true zeiss 4x32
Thanks but I was not in the market for a fixed magnification.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 09:28 AM   #62
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So - for anyone who might know ---

Will I need high mount rings for this on a Gen III mount? Or will standard rings work okay? The objective lens dimensions are 2.6" top to bottom. In my head that seems like that should clear okay.

What say ye experts?

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So - for anyone who might know ---

Will I need high mount rings for this on a Gen III mount? Or will standard rings work okay? The objective lens dimensions are 2.6" top to bottom. In my head that seems like that should clear okay.

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Check out the scope manufacturer's web site and check out how they measure. Some will state from the center of the objective bell and others will measure from the bottom of the front bell. Unfortunately there is no norm spec. You want to make sure your clearance is aligned so you have the best cheek weld available.

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Check out the scope manufacturer's web site and check out how they measure. Some will state from the center of the objective bell and others will measure from the bottom of the front bell. Unfortunately there is no norm spec. You want to make sure your clearance is aligned so you have the best cheek weld available.
Yeah I'm not finding that anywhere on their web site. Lots of dimension information - but not how they measure for this sort of thing. I guess I'll wait for it to come in today or tomorrow, get that dove tail piece sanded a wee bit to get it to fit into the stripper guide spot, then see how much clearance the scope looks like it will need so it isn't touching the hand guard or the mount depending on eye relief and cheek weld viability.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:48 AM   #65
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I am definitely on a budget... basically with the spousal looking over my shoulder I was determined to not spend more than I spent on the ATN,... so basically $550, but MIGHT have been able to stretch to $700 with some finagling and such... albeit highly unlikely.

But lucky for me, some serious crazy luck... better than the deal I got on my ATN by far I'd say, I managed to spend LESS than I spent on the aforementioned screaming deal I got on my ATN once returned and credited back to my CC,... and ended up with one of these for basically half off:


https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/produ...3.php?pid=TR22

I was about a stone's throw from ordering the Primary Arms 1-8 ACSS... probably will for my son's .308 I'm getting him... but this was a deal I could not pass up!

Now I just need to get it ... get some good rings... figure out why the stripper clip guide point piece from Springfield Armory won't feed into said guide point for the Gen III mount I am going to be using (I think it needs a little dremmel shaving), get it mounted up... resight in the irons, sight in the scope... and call it done and done!
Thanks Walt for all the info you published on these scopes. You helped me finally decide which scope I really wanted. I read each of your explanation of why you might chose one of the various scopes in your list with great interest. And I could see why you decided on the Triicon scope. Half off was a steal on your part.

However, I was also looking at many in your list with a different objective. I am not interested in a $800 plus target/hunting scopes like Trijicon, Zeiss or Leuopold make.

I decided to go with the budget combat sight system on your list the Primary Arms 1-8 X 24mm Scope ACSS BDC Illuminated Reticle. It may be a more entry level scope but with my eyesight and arthritis at turning 72 years (next week) young it fills the bill. What I hope it will do best is give me a good bright, clear image below 4x. I donít expect the ACSS reticle will make me feel like a champion long range shooter. And lastly I hope its built very heavy duty and is solid enough to take the punishment from my M1A.

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Thanks Walt for all the info you published on these scopes. You helped me finally decide which scope I really wanted. I read each of your explanation of why you might chose one of the various scopes in your list with great interest. And I could see why you decided on the Triicon scope. Half off was a steal on your part.

However, I was also looking at many in your list with a different objective. I am not interested in a $800 plus target/hunting scopes like Trijicon, Zeiss or Leuopold make.

I decided to go with the budget combat sight system on your list the Primary Arms 1-8 X 24mm Scope ACSS BDC Illuminated Reticle. It may be a more entry level scope but with my eyesight and arthritis at turning 72 years (next week) young it fills the bill. What I hope it will do best is give me a good bright, clear image below 4x. I donít expect the ACSS reticle will make me feel like a champion long range shooter. And lastly I hope its built very heavy duty and is solid enough to take the punishment from my M1A.
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That PA 1-8 really was my #1 leaning choice to buy until I lucked out on that Trijicon. I am still amazed I got it. If I don't end up liking it I may give it to my son for his gun and I'll end up buying that PA anyway :)

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Yeah I'm not finding that anywhere on their web site. Lots of dimension information - but not how they measure for this sort of thing. I guess I'll wait for it to come in today or tomorrow, get that dove tail piece sanded a wee bit to get it to fit into the stripper guide spot, then see how much clearance the scope looks like it will need so it isn't touching the hand guard or the mount depending on eye relief and cheek weld viability.
Once you have your scope height measurements then check out the scope ring manufacturer's sight that you're interested in. Most will give the height measurements.

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I can't imagine hunting anything beyond 400 yards at this point based on conversations with family and co-workers who are telling me to be ready for irons at the 25-50 range and to never take a shot beyond 400, let alone 300 most likely.

I need to learn the whole holdover thing, especially with this reticle... I mean I have the LRF and the BC app for clicks adjustment based on range, bullet and environmental conditions - but obviously in the field with a target in my sights that might move any second - I might not have time for all that.
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For a hunting rig it is not needed if you limit to 300 yards or so...
I use a 200 meter zero for my deer rifle which puts it about 2 inches high at a 100 and some 6 or 7 low at 300. 300 hold 'top of the back'...
guessing the range is the hard part

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Interesting notion.
Maybe if I can find a non-membership required range in the +100 yard length reasonably close I can give this notion a try. Sight in for 200, then figure out my drop lift or drop based on which hunting ammo the gun likes the best and I choose as my "go to" round for that purpose.

That definitely may be a method to try. Thanks Jeff

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I use the same method as mentioned above on my bolt guns I hunt with. Study the trajectory charts and you can determine how high to set it at 100 yards. 2 inches is a good all around number. This is the standard way people in my area zero their hunting rigs.

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Scope options - anyone have any thoughts?

It wouldn't surprise me if all regions within the US use the same "zero at 200" or 1.5" high at 100 method. It's prevalent in Missouri and Kansas, and I do it myself.

It's been a few years since I looked through a Trijicon scope, but it should work well for you.

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It wouldn't surprise me if all regions within the US use the same "zero at 200" or 1.5" high at 100 method. It's prevalent in Missouri and Kansas, and I do it myself.

It's been a few years since I looked through a Trijicon scope, but it should work well for you.
You may be 100% correct, I sight in around 50 deer rifles a year. I clean, lube and set scope for rich guys that lease land in my area. That's the method I use unless they state otherwise. Some of them want it dead on at 100 some want it dead on at 50.

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To me it's all about the landscape you're going to be hunting in. Open farm or grazing grass fields zero in at the average distance and adjust accordingly on the game. Hunting in wooded forests like here in MN and WI I had my Marlin 336 scoped with see thru scope mounts and had the sights sighted in at 50yds and the 4X sighted in at 100yds.

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It wouldn't surprise me if all regions within the US use the same "zero at 200" or 1.5" high at 100 method. It's prevalent in Missouri and Kansas, and I do it myself.

It's been a few years since I looked through a Trijicon scope, but it should work well for you.
1"/1 1/2" high @ 100 is better suited for magnum fast calibers... One should, if able, confirm at range.

1.75/2.0 high @ 100 meters works for my Ruger Mod 77 .308 with 150's... Brother zeroed 1" high with his 6mm and 1.5 with his .300 mag

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Go 20x or lower on the top end, this generally gives you a lower magnification (desirable IMO) on the low end. Anything over 20x on a 22" barreled 308 Win. is overkill and a waste of money, iMO.

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