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Old April 3rd, 2017, 07:48 AM   #31
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FYI, light transmission has to do with "Exit Pupil". Clear glass and good exit pupil is what you are looking for in low light. The big 50mm front bell can help but some times it can be like putting a 700 HP V8 in a tempo, it may be under the hood but if it does not meet the road it means nothing.
I know that concept... Just because my Aprilia had 164hp after deregulation, exhaust swap, and chip adjustment doesn't mean it had it at the wheel - and that's where it counted, that's where the mods to help bring it as close as possible to the wheel mattered.

I understand the concept for the glass as well! :)

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Old April 3rd, 2017, 10:31 AM   #32
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BTW - I looked at these just a moment ago...
I don't have $1500+ to spend on an optic. I wish I had the disposable income - but I don't. Still too many mouths in the home to feed, sports & hobbies and such to pay for, etc. for me to justify that kind of expenditure.
I got ya. I have seen the IOR 10x for around $925.. but if you are on a budget, I have heard that the SWFA Super Snipers are really good,and alot more inexpensive. I think a 10x side focus or 6x are under 400.00 and 300.00.
I looked at them also.

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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:04 PM   #33
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I honestly don't know what any advantage or disadvantage would be with one over another. I suppose a push/pull quicker access turret would make more sense given they're not prone to arbitrary / accidental movement.

Exposed "tactical" turrets have no real advantage in a hunting situation. When an elk walks out from cover at 250 yards you aren't going to think, "my rifle is zeroed at 100 yards, so I need to come up x MOA, which is x clicks....followed by rotating the elevation turret x clicks, followed by placing the reticle center onto the vitals and sending a bullet. The rifle should, IMHO, be zeroed at 200 yards, or an inch high at 100 yards or something similar, to allow the shot process to be - the elk walks out from cover at 250 yards, so I place the reticle center onto the vitals and send the bullet.

When you're using the rifle at the range or for long distance (well beyond hunting distance) shooting, exposed turrets are a solid benefit, especially as range increases.

As you stated accidental movement of the turrets would cause a very bad situation if it's not found before sending a bullet into a game animal. Any scope you consider should have zero-able turrets, so the turret positions can be confirmed by looking at them. The advantage of covered turrets is that they cannot be bumped out of position. I vaguely recall reading of a manufacturer of a turrets that lock when pushed and are raised for adjustment, but can't remember which one that is.



I genuinely don't know enough about reticle variations and how they work to know what I would or wouldn't liked. The ATN I had briefly had 8 different reticles to choose from... these are the two I was torn between as to which I liked the most:

Most, but not all, scopes with capped turrets are going to have a simple duplex reticle, since it's designed for hunters that either always place the reticle onto vitals or use basic holdover at longer ranges, not wanting to lose a shot opportunity because they were adjusting a scope when they should have been taking a shot. Some hunters prefer the uncluttered image a basic duplex provides, especially if some holdover is applied. Some modern reticles, like the Horus Vision, may make it difficult to quickly and accurately holdover onto an elk while still being able to clearly see the elk. A simple mildot reticle or one with spaced hashmarks would allow for holdover without obscuring the target. This will also depend on whether the reticle is in the first or second focal plane.



Other than the possibility of hog hunting in weather where they might be nocturnal and I need to use a torch to light them up - I would personally not be inclined to be shooting at low light dusk / dawn. Talking to the people I will be going hunting with for elk & deer - they said they've never had to take a dawn / dusk shot in 40 years+ of hunting the same zones.

This is good, since tracking, dressing, and hauling game out after dusk is much more difficult than it is with the sun shining. The Wind is absolutely correct that objective diameter is only one factor of many that determines a scopes brightness.



I've never heard of them. I will definitely have to try to find a chance to get up north (I'm a Suburban-Southie) and check them out. Thanks!

I've never been to their store, but have purchased mounts, rings, and a rifle chassis from them in recent past.

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Old April 3rd, 2017, 03:14 PM   #34
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I've been looking at the Leupold vxr patrol 3x9 with tmr but decided on a vortex diamondback tactical. Probably perfect for the m1a. It's moa tho' , I like mil
http://www.vortexoptics.com/category...al_riflescopes

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Old April 3rd, 2017, 06:47 PM   #36
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I was just looking at that same scope. It looks pretty good. how is it for shooting?

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Anyone on here have any experience, thoughts, pros/cons, warnings, kudos etc about any of these optics as an optic for my M1A scout for deer / elk / hog hunting - with some ranged target shooting too:

1. Primary Arms 6-24X50 Front Focal Plane Scope with Patented ACSS HUD 308 Reticle

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Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50mm

3. Millett Tactical 6-25x56mm

4. Nikon ProStaff 4.5-18x40mm

5. Leatherwood / Hi-Lux ART II M1200 6-24x50mm

I do have the ATN LaserBallistics1000 LRF + the app to go with it for quick ballistics calculation and reticle adjustments if that helps make any difference to the conversation.
Walt late to the game here but I would look at the SWFA offerings as well.
I have had my eye on a 5 to 20 in milrads but for hunting duty I'd go with the 3 or 4 to 15?

https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-3-15x42-tac....html?___SID=U


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In addition to my previously mentioned choices, do you want the reticle in the First Focal Plane, or the second? If you won't be using the reticle to determine range to the target, the FFP's ability to do this at any power level won't really matter.

It's highly likely that any scope series you choose will be available in both MOA and mil versions, so that's another important decision that needs to be made.

Do you consider parallax adjust-ability to be be a requirement?

I've never seen a SWFA scope in person, but they do get high ratings on forums.

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In addition to my previously mentioned choices, do you want the reticle in the First Focal Plane, or the second? If you won't be using the reticle to determine range to the target, the FFP's ability to do this at any power level won't really matter.
Having not owned a rifle in 27 years, and not having mounted a scope to that one, honestly I don't think I care either way. I believe from experience in toying with other people's rifles I am more familiar, and therefore probably more comfortable, with second focal plane - bur really I can't imagine I'd have any problem getting used to first focal plane.

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It's highly likely that any scope series you choose will be available in both MOA and mil versions, so that's another important decision that needs to be made.
Again - with lack of actual hands on experience - I don't think it would really make a difference to me. Learning curve is at 100% right now for me.

I will say that after all posts and considerations - at the moment anyway - my top two choices, in order, are:

The Primary Arms 1-8x with their own custom ACSS reticle:
http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-a...4sfp-acss-5-56

(actually, interestingly, PA confirmed for me the ACSS reticle is a bit different now - it is the same as the platinum series they have which is a bit cleaner) and then IF I come to decide I want at least a little magnification out of the gate, rather than 1x, I am opening up to the notion of one of these:

The Burris 2-10 Ballistic Plex reticle:
https://swfa.com/burris-2-10x42-vera....html?___SID=U

MOA version:
https://swfa.com/burris-2-10x42-vera....html?___SID=U

or the Vortex Viper HS 2.5-10 BDC reticle
http://www.primaryarms.com/vortex-vi...ticle-vhs-4303

I think the logic is sound... in Colorado a deer, even an elk, are comfortable enough with people it seems they are willing to sometimes get within 25-35 yards of you even during hunting season based on the stories I am being told the more I talk to hunters in the family, at work, etc- or you may need to take that shot at 350-400 yards in the course of the same hunting expedition... the 1-8 seems the most logical for that all around need.. at least as a starting point to see how comfortable I am with it.

I figure - if it has a focus ring - that should help me with the whole "fuzzy" issue I have with eyes too :)

Also - I see the ACSS reticle offers a great option for quick ranging, which could be confirmed by a LRF easily enough. I understand the principles of it, the logic of it. So yeah, I'd be good with it for hunting or paper destruction too.

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Do you consider parallax adjust-ability to be be a requirement?
I don't genuinely know if I need it or not. I can't say I remember ever having an issue with it looking through other's scopes on their rifles - but then again, it's been a long time.

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I've never seen a SWFA scope in person, but they do get high ratings on forums.
I looked at them... they look like a great option if I were to opt for the 3x-12 or 14 --- but trying to consider the possibility of a logically possible close range shot and therefore going smaller magnification concept to start (1x'ish) they don't really offer much that fits what I'd like to get into.

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I would do the Prostaff but go down in power if you are considering hunting. Don't go above a 4x low-end.

I've found the Nikon Prostaff series to be very solidly built, especially considering the unique M1A forward "reverse recoil" during the firing cycle.

Never lost zero and very usable at significant distances.

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So here's one nobody has mentioned thus far that seems to be pretty obscure - but I'm finding really good reports from local hunting related boards and some first hand familial experience as well:

Has anyone here ever worked with / tested / have any experience with the Minox series of scopes, specifically the ZA5 series (looking at the 2-10x50mm w/ BDC reticle specifically)? German designed, USA made.

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Old April 6th, 2017, 09:44 AM   #42
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I mounted and sighted in that exact scope for a guy in a hunting club i interact with from time to time. All I did was install it and sighted it in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards at his request and gave it back. The scope was very clear and the adjustments felt good( positive clicks) it also tracked well. I wish I could have played with it more than I did as I liked it. Another brand of scope people don't talk about much is meopta they are very nice optics as well.

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LOL you are all over the map.

You should probably think about 1) budget 2) what kind of reticule and 3) do you want target style knobs or not.

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I mounted and sighted in that exact scope for a guy in a hunting club i interact with from time to time. All I did was install it and sighted it in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards at his request and gave it back. The scope was very clear and the adjustments felt good( positive clicks) it also tracked well. I wish I could have played with it more than I did as I liked it. Another brand of scope people don't talk about much is meopta they are very nice optics as well.
I saw some chatter about those Meopta too. I will look into those a bit too.

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Walt, I'm not sure exactly what you want or what your budget is but that leupold in the PX is one hell of a scope. Lifetime replacement warranty as well.

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