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Old April 2nd, 2017, 07:38 AM   #16
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Anyone on here have any experience, thoughts, pros/cons, warnings, kudos etc about any of these optics as an optic for my M1A scout for deer / elk / hog hunting - with some ranged target shooting too:


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Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50mm

3. Millett Tactical 6-25x56mm
I have both of these scopes, and both are outstanding "pieces of glass".

The Millett is a BIG scope, has a 35mm barrel so it is rather heavy. Mine has a mildot 2nd focal plane reticle, and the turrets are calibrated in MOA; you get the best of both worlds, easy elevation and windage adjustment, plus the trait of mildot allowing range estimation. I have it mounted on my M1A on a Fulton DMR mount, with the lowest Millet rings available (you'll probably have to use Millett rings, I didn't see any others for a 35mm barrel). You'll definitely need a cheek riser on the stock. It makes the Springfield a helluva benchrest gun with either a bipod or sand bags. I wouldn't care to tote it around all day on a hunt, though; the combo (my rifle is a Standard) weighs 13-1/4 pounds without a magazine. Maybe your model is light enough that you can come in light enough to comfortably carry.

I have the HS-T on an AR-15 Grendel, and bought it long after the Millett. I paid more for it than the Millett, but I'd have bought it instead if I'd compared them, only because it is much lighter, not because it performs better. Mine is 2nd plane MOA reticle with MOA turrets. What I like about the reticle is that it has an extended elevation for extreme long range. The MOA calibrations go almost to the bottom of the vertical crosshair, it can substitute for, or eliminate the need for a compensating mount or rings. Vortex also has a fairly bulletproof warranty.

Both scopes hold zero, once adjusted, they don't change.
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Higher magnification equals less field of view and sucks on hot days.

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 02:02 PM   #18
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Okay - so for Deer, Elk, and hog - 5 or 6x as a starting point seems to be generally accepted as too high...

So how about these as options as shorter ranged:

www.primaryarms.com/pa1-6x24sfp-acss-5-56

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-a...4sfp-acss-5-56

http://www.primaryarms.com/vortex-vi...ticle-vhs-4303

or these for the short/mid range:

http://www.primaryarms.com/vortex-cr...icle-cf2-31025

http://www.primaryarms.com/leupold-m...-115370-115370

http://www.primaryarms.com/leupold-v...-110805-110805

http://www.primaryarms.com/vortex-di...icle-dbk-10015

Maybe I am selling myself short on the whole "feeling my age" in my vision too. Maybe with a scope that 100 yards won't seem so fuzzy because I'll have an actual clarifying optic I can put a precise dot / crosshair on compared to trying to use the irons.

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 02:25 PM   #19
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Out of these I say get one of the leupolds you have listed.

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 04:05 PM   #20
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The Vortex PST 6-24 is a fine varmint/target scope for the price

Bushnell LRHS 3-12

SWFA 3-9

Leupold 2.5-8 or 3.5-10 with the BDC dial (M3)

Nightforce SHV

I recently bought one of the newer Leupold LRP's and it has been good so far

I would shop used over new for most of these as you'll save some money and they all have lifetime warranties

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 04:49 PM   #21
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Picking a scope for the M1A

We all have different needs when it comes to scope choice. Lost track of the number of mounts and scopes tried, some more successful than others..

Currently, I'm running a Redfield BR 6400, 16 power. Try as I might, can't seem to find anything to suggest replacing it.. It is mounted on a G/H singel screw mount that I added a lock screw to to prevent the screw from backing off... Art

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Hunting season isn't coming for a while so you have time to do some thorough research. Keep away from any variable under $600 at the minimum.

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 05:23 PM   #23
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Is Burris considered crap, or are they descent for the price / the lifetime warranty?

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 06:07 PM   #24
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Burris is definitely not crap, and I'd choose one over any of the scopes in your original post in this thread, but unlikely over a Leupold within your mid-range list, a PST, or possibly a Redfield.

I own a Vortex PST 4-16 x 50, and its glass compares very favorably against my older Leupolds. I also wouldn't suggest any Vortex series below PST.

Do you want exposed tactical turrets, for scope adjustments during non-hunting situations, or covered turrets?

Do you want an illuminated reticle?

Do you want the reticle to be a basic duplex, or a more tactical mil or hashed reticle?

A 50mm objective will let a little more light in than a 40 mm one, for dawn and dusk shot opportunities, but the additional side/weight may not be worth the increase in light gathering.

I also agree that a really good 3-9 x 40 would be a much better choice than a mediocre 6-24 x 50. I suggest you take a trip to Mile High Shooting Accessories in Erie to see what they have in inventory. If they sell it, it should be GTG. If they don't sell it, there's likely a reason behind the decision.


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I have been looking also. US Optics is what I want, but it seems as though they are redesigning their 10x series.
S&B is very nice also in 10 X,but a bit more $$. After looking at the IOR Valdada 10x56,I think I'm hooked. Very stout tubes and design, Schott lenses,and less than the price of USO,S&B. I like Nightforce, but no 10x.
I was thinking of variable, but it seems that most DMR scopes are 10x. Good to 1k if needed(my eys are crap too(last 5-6yrs). IOR is supposedly very good for the money,and extremely bright and great clarity.
check them out, might be something for you too!

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Do you want exposed tactical turrets, for scope adjustments during non-hunting situations, or covered turrets?
I honestly don't know what any advantage or disadvantage would be with one over another. I suppose a push/pull quicker access turret would make more sense given they're not prone to arbitrary / accidental movement.

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Do you want an illuminated reticle?
If available, sure - but I'm not sure it is a must have.

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Do you want the reticle to be a basic duplex, or a more tactical mil or hashed reticle?
NO clue. I genuinely don't know enough about reticle variations and how they work to know what I would or wouldn't liked. The ATN I had briefly had 8 different reticles to choose from... these are the two I was torn between as to which I liked the most:




I really do like the notion of the ACSS reticle on the Primary Arms scopes I've been seeing... I think that is a great idea for quicker ranging solutions especially if you have a LRF to confirm range:


But in truth... I don't know what would be the best for generic hunting and target range purposes.

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A 50mm objective will let a little more light in than a 40 mm one, for dawn and dusk shot opportunities, but the additional side/weight may not be worth the increase in light gathering.
Other than the possibility of hog hunting in weather where they might be nocturnal and I need to use a torch to light them up - I would personally not be inclined to be shooting at low light dusk / dawn. Talking to the people I will be going hunting with for elk & deer - they said they've never had to take a dawn / dusk shot in 40 years+ of hunting the same zones.

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I also agree that a really good 3-9 x 40 would be a much better choice than a mediocre 6-24 x 50. I suggest you take a trip to Mile High Shooting Accessories in Erie to see what they have in inventory. If they sell it, it should be GTG. If they don't sell it, there's likely a reason behind the decision.
I've never heard of them. I will definitely have to try to find a chance to get up north (I'm a Suburban-Southie) and check them out. Thanks!

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NO clue. I genuinely don't know enough about reticle variations and how they work to know what I would or wouldn't liked.
You could try out Primary Arms' SFP 1-6 or 1-8 options for sub $300. Cheap way to get trigger time behind some glass so you can start to get a better idea of what you want (reticle and magnification). I haven't used the PA glass but they've got good reviews and supposedly hold up well to the M1A recoil.

SWFA fixed 10 power is another good inexpensive option as well.

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So I just went throw this and came out with a IOR 6-24-56. My main concentration was glass. I would have to say that along with tracking, the glass has to come in right up there. in my search I found some amazing glassed scopes for hunting and for shooting paper and spotting holes in targets at 200-300 hell 400 if target is white paper tilted up with the sun on the front. I like to dial in and I also got it at a amazing price but here is one I was strongly looking at it's a new Company and they only sell direct, glass is amazing just like night force or viper HD, it's called tract. They are new but the low light gathering is great! And I'm not saying that off a review I read. I have had as recent as this weekend did a low light test on 3 differ scopes. Tract was not one of the for the low light but IOR and tract use the same glass. I compared viper HS 5-15-50 up to my new IOR and the IOR blew it out of the water(to be expected with a 1500$ price difference) but I did not know my scope would truly see into the night. Like with moon light I could watch a coon eat corn at 200 yards.
Take a look at them. Just read the first paragraph and if you know glass at all you will see why.
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FYI, light transmission has to do with "Exit Pupil". Clear glass and good exit pupil is what you are looking for in low light. The big 50mm front bell can help but some times it can be like putting a 700 HP V8 in a tempo, it may be under the hood but if it does not meet the road it means nothing.

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I have been looking also. US Optics is what I want, but it seems as though they are redesigning their 10x series.
S&B is very nice also in 10 X,but a bit more $$. After looking at the IOR Valdada 10x56,I think I'm hooked. Very stout tubes and design, Schott lenses,and less than the price of USO,S&B. I like Nightforce, but no 10x.
I was thinking of variable, but it seems that most DMR scopes are 10x. Good to 1k if needed(my eys are crap too(last 5-6yrs). IOR is supposedly very good for the money,and extremely bright and great clarity.
check them out, might be something for you too!
BTW - I looked at these just a moment ago...
I don't have $1500+ to spend on an optic. I wish I had the disposable income - but I don't. Still too many mouths in the home to feed, sports & hobbies and such to pay for, etc. for me to justify that kind of expenditure.

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