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This is a discussion on Redneck Yankee Mounts within the Optics forums, part of the Gun Forum category; DSC_0528.JPG DSC_0533.JPG These are photos of two mounts I've recently patented. The first is what I call the Duel Sight Mount (DSM). It's primary patent ...


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Old February 24th, 2017, 07:42 PM   #1
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These are photos of two mounts I've recently patented.

The first is what I call the Duel Sight Mount (DSM). It's primary patent claims are - 1) Vertical orientation of the mount with rings at the horizontal to provide a more generous sight picture of the irons, lower scope height, better access to receiver, and 2) allows for an auxiliary red dot sight or spotting scope for use with the shooters left eye without movement of the rifle. Although this prototype is made of several 6061 plates bolted together with picitinney rails attached, the production version will be a one piece casting with integral rails.

The second is the Close Quarter Battle Mount (CQBM). It is the only red dot/reflex sight mount that attaches to the receiver while placing the sight forward of the receiver and allowing for full access to the receiver, and maintains the use of the stripper clip guide. Like the DSM this mount has a more generous sight picture of the irons under the mount.

You really have to zoom in to the irons view to appreciate it.

These are prototypes, with some final dimensions to be tweaked.

I have more pictures in my Albums for review. I'll answer any questions in this forum and appreciate any constructive criticism.
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Old February 25th, 2017, 05:58 PM   #4
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Definitely something some M1A owners are looking for.

My concern is with the connection using the four cap screws.

The more screwed/bolted connections the greater chance of something shaking loose.

Could the screws be eliminated by machining the mount as one piece?

How deep do the ring mounting screws go into the vertical mounting plate?

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Definitely something some M1A owners are looking for.

My concern is with the connection using the four cap screws.

The more screwed/bolted connections the greater chance of something shaking loose.

Could the screws be eliminated by machining the mount as one piece?

How deep do the ring mounting screws go into the vertical mounting plate?
This particular mount is a prototype made out of 6061 extruded aluminum plate, cut to shape, and bolted together to get the mount the required distance from the bore centerline. The prototype has picitinney rails screwed to it. The production mount will be a one piece cast with the rails integral to the mount. You may notice that I use vertical split rings, (Evolution Gun Works), to get a better view with the irons. I appreciate the question.
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Does the DSM only make use of the side attachment point (like the Basset mount)? If so, that would be a major selling point for me. Those 2/3 point mounts always seemed more finicky than they're worth and this would be a nice alternative.

I don't think there's anything like the CQBM currently on the market, and it looks really slick and simple! Once again, I really like the use of the side attachment point only. One improvement might be to make a "low" version where the sight would be positioned very close to receiver. Something about the same height, or slightly lower than an ARMS#18 rail would be ideal.

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Does the DSM only make use of the side attachment point (like the Basset mount)? If so, that would be a major selling point for me. Those 2/3 point mounts always seemed more finicky than they're worth and this would be a nice alternative.

I don't think there's anything like the CQBM currently on the market, and it looks really slick and simple! Once again, I really like the use of the side attachment point only. One improvement might be to make a "low" version where the sight would be positioned very close to receiver. Something about the same height, or slightly lower than an ARMS#18 rail would be ideal.

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Yes, one point mount. Although a manufacturer can go two point or three point if need be for "big n heavy" scopes.

A production version of the CQBM would be about 1/8" lower than the prototype. It could me made lower to cowitness with the irons. What I like though is two separate sights, because if it's cowitnessed and the red dot breaks, get dirty, etc., the irons are still usable. This height provides a firm chin weld, just over the irons.

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Competition Mount

Some pics of a friends competition M1A with my early prototype mount holding a Springfield Armory Government 4.5-14x56 scope. This mount uses the two point SAI Gen III system. The mount can hold an auxiliary red dot or auxiliary spotting scope.
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Well I'll be darned. I've done it again, waited too long with an idea and somebody beat me to it.

I have been working on a concept almost identical to your CQB mount. Would have looked just like it, except what I wanted to do was get an Aimpoint Micro right down on the front receiver ring so that the iron sights actually co-witnessed, looking right through the Aimpoint. Very lightweight mount with a lightweight optic, so that a single screw would hold securely, and wouldn't have to remove the stripper clip guide. No add-on cheek rest. Ejection area clear of obstruction. Good for 3 gun, or pig hunting.

I got as far as measurements and a few sketches. My first approach was to mill away the rear half of an ARMS18, mill off the rail, and machine to fit the Aimpoint Micro as low into the mount as possible. Then started looking at aluminum angle bracket machined to shape with added splines to fit the receiver grooves. Your idea of bedding to fit the grooves is a good one, with strong bedding material like JB Weld and lightweight optic it will probably prove to be plenty strong.

Congrats and I wish you the best of luck with it.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a full patent issued or a provisional patent?

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Well I'll be darned. I've done it again, waited too long with an idea and somebody beat me to it.

I have been working on a concept almost identical to your CQB mount. Would have looked just like it, except what I wanted to do was get an Aimpoint Micro right down on the front receiver ring so that the iron sights actually co-witnessed, looking right through the Aimpoint. Very lightweight mount with a lightweight optic, so that a single screw would hold securely, and wouldn't have to remove the stripper clip guide. No add-on cheek rest. Ejection area clear of obstruction. Good for 3 gun, or pig hunting.

I got as far as measurements and a few sketches. My first approach was to mill away the rear half of an ARMS18, mill off the rail, and machine to fit the Aimpoint Micro as low into the mount as possible. Then started looking at aluminum angle bracket machined to shape with added splines to fit the receiver grooves. Your idea of bedding to fit the grooves is a good one, with strong bedding material like JB Weld and lightweight optic it will probably prove to be plenty strong.

Congrats and I wish you the best of luck with it.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a full patent issued or a provisional patent?
Provisional patent. Non-provisional soon. The Acra-glass has held up well over a year with many removal and replacements, and many shots fired. It isn't really subjected to much shear stress. Because I'm using glass, the hole for the thumbscrew is not oversize- it's an exact fit, so takes practically most all the recoil. Each mount is essentially a custom fit for the rifle its mounted on.

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Stripper clip Micro Red Dot Sight Base - improved!
red,you see this mount for stripper clip guide?

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Well congrats again, and since we had almost exactly the same idea at the same time, all I can say is that you are a brilliant man, true genius, and probably very handsome as well.

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Stripper clip Micro Red Dot Sight Base - improved!
red,you see this mount for stripper clip guide?
Yes I have. Doesn't allow use of stripper clip guide, requires cowitness of irons so if glass broken, dirty, wet, it's unusable, and some shooters just like the red dot farther forward. Although some would probably prefer it. Shooters choice.
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you can look through it with irons,it's cut to do that

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Well congrats again, and since we had almost exactly the same idea at the same time, all I can say is that you are a brilliant man, true genius, and probably very handsome as well.
You're making me blush

Now I just have to find someone to make these mounts.

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