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Old December 28th, 2016, 08:18 PM   #1
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Need AN-PVS-4-NAIT-US-Gen-2-4X-Night-Vision-Scope help

Just wondering if we have anyone on board with hands on (or should I say eyes on??) experience with this piece of equipment.

I'm wanting one so bad I can taste it, . . . just don't want to waste my $$$.

This looks good, but is military surplus, . . . as in used.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 08:40 PM   #2
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There is a video on youtube somewhere that shows a guy stand next to a bush that is between 2 trees at about 50 yards away. You can't even see him with the the nightvision scope until he moves and if he hadn't moved you would never see him. Can't miss him with a thermal scope.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 08:44 PM   #3
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look at thermal

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Old December 28th, 2016, 09:27 PM   #4
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They work. For the price, they work well.

At the time I retired, these were still standard US .mil issue, so apparently, they work. And every one in use by the .mil was used.

Get a warranty on the scope and the tube. If the tube dies a week after you get it you'll be sad.

There is better stuff now, but not at that price level. If you want to pay for an Aquila or Raptor, or AN/PVS-22 or something, with a new milspec Gen 3 thin film autogated tube, you will have a better scope but you might need to sell a couple of cars and several good guns to foot the bill.

Oh, they are heavy and bulky. So what.

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Old December 29th, 2016, 12:58 PM   #5
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I'm pricing a thermal and wishing I had a third kidney.

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Old December 29th, 2016, 01:33 PM   #7
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You use thermal to find targets,then switch to 3rd gen night vision to identify and engage targets.
If you can only afford one get a pvs 14 3rd gen,instead of thermal.

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Old December 29th, 2016, 02:12 PM   #8
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Given that is what caught your attention, I'm going to assume that is your budget ballpark. In that range it is a very good optic. It does have its limitations though. If you can live with running a good ir light with it you will be pleased. I've owned several of those and other scopes.
The pvs4 is big, bulky, and heavy. Has really good features though. You can adjust the image brightness to provide better contrast between objects. That giant objective lens sucks in a lot of light, works really well in the open with good skylight. If you want to see into the shadows you'll need an ir light with it.

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Given that is what caught your attention, I'm going to assume that is your budget ballpark. In that range it is a very good optic. It does have its limitations though. If you can live with running a good ir light with it you will be pleased. I've owned several of those and other scopes.
The pvs4 is big, bulky, and heavy. Has really good features though. You can adjust the image brightness to provide better contrast between objects. That giant objective lens sucks in a lot of light, works really well in the open with good skylight. If you want to see into the shadows you'll need an ir light with it.
Thanks, Snyper, . . . that is the kind of info I was looking for. It looks big and heavy, . . . probably would do all right on top of my M1A, . . . but most likely top heavy as can be on an AR.

And you are right, . . . that is just about where the budget dies.

Like one other guy said, . . . sure would be nice to have a 3rd kidney or Rodney Dangerfield as my step dad.

Are we talking coyotes at 200 yds? Maybe a coon on the ground at 100? Those are the crumb crunchers I want to "rid" the world of, . . . at least down here in my world.

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I'm happy with a used AN/PVS-2B.

An AN/PVS-4 would be an upgrade, they are much lighter.

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Old December 30th, 2016, 09:02 PM   #11
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A lot depends on ambient light. For decades these things have been called "starlight" scopes, but they are really more "moonlight" scopes.

With some moonlight, the world looks like a bright sunny summer day, except everything is green. With no moon, only stars and maybe some light pollution from city light glow, you'll start to struggle. If there's no moon and cloud cover, can't see your hand in front of your face, there is nothing for the scope to amplify and you'll just see a sparkling green snow.

The reticles aren't as fine as the reticle on a typical day scope, so it's a bit harder to be precise. You'll have to work on a good zero and learning the reticle. Make sure you get a pinhole daylight training cover with it. Coyote at 200 or raccoon at 100 is a pretty small target, with a little moonlight and a good rifle and zero, I'd say you'll routinely plug them at half those distances.

ETA: These scopes have pretty good resale value, so if you buy one and it doesn't meet your needs, you should be able to sell it pretty easily without much loss. Then you can start saving for a 3rd gen 6x Raptor.

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A lot depends on ambient light. For decades these things have been called "starlight" scopes, but they are really more "moonlight" scopes.

With some moonlight, the world looks like a bright sunny summer day, except everything is green. With no moon, only stars and maybe some light pollution from city light glow, you'll start to struggle. If there's no moon and cloud cover, can't see your hand in front of your face, there is nothing for the scope to amplify and you'll just see a sparkling green snow.
None of the above matters with thermal, as long has a thermal scope has batteries in it you see.

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Old December 31st, 2016, 10:23 AM   #13
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It'll be top heavy on any rifle unless it's a M2 crew served. It works fantastic on an ar with an adjustable stock. It's alright on the 14 but you'll have to do some serious neck crane. Night vision is like racing. Speed costs, how fast you wanna go? The NAIT one is a solid scope for the $.

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Old January 4th, 2017, 03:41 PM   #14
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So I like a good hack when it can save money.

Thinking of putting the Seek Thermal CompactPRO: http://www.thermal.com/products/compactpro/

with a home made mount & a MxF cable: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00B5HSC..._t2_B00XDSMGR6

and a smartphone arm mount: https://smile.amazon.com/Neoprene-Mo...+phone+armband


Probably sub-$600 (excluding the smartphone) for a close range thermal.

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