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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:00 PM   #16
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Leopold Rifleman Series

For the first time I can afford a Leopold. I like the scope, I have purchased 2 now and I am a satisfied customer.
I had no idea they were made in China.
Do we make anything anymore?
Could we do it again?
Every 54 minutes in 1944 B24's we're rolling off the assembly line. Thousands of tanks, artillary pieces, millions of rounds of ammo, machine tools and the list goes on.
Could we do it again?
Sorry to steal your thread.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:08 PM   #17
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Leupold still makes products here. But there line of made elsewhere stuff is rapidly exspanding. I like the leupold I new from the back in the day when you didn't have to read the damn box, if it said leupold it was a real leupold! That being said nikon used to be strictly Japanese know read the box on them and you will find the lower end models made all over from the Philippines to China. Hell my soon to be wife was making Christmas deserts with Reese's peanut butter cups a Hershey's product, she said these wrappers are not like they used to be. Sure as hell I read the the bag and it said maid in Mexico!!!

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:22 PM   #18
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Nikon bino user here. 10x50 Made in Japan. Incedible quality, used to scout the sky prior to aiming my 10" Dobsonian reflector. All my camera lenses are also ED Nikorr glass.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:25 PM   #19
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Real jap nikon is great stuff, philapino not so much.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:33 PM   #20
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All this "anti" talk always cracks me up.
I buy the best quality product that I can afford. I can care less about the country of origin. Our country has become a service based vs industrial based economy. Just like we evolved from an agriculture based to an industrial based economy. Change is just that, change.
In 1944, how many products were being produced for the civilian population? Dang near zero, that's how many. http://www.autonews.com/article/2011...rs-during-wwii
Almost ALL manufacturing was dedicated to the war effort so that is a straw man argument. God forbid we ever have to experience that again.

Funniest thing is the that people actually type these comments on an electronic device (computer or cell phone) that was probably built outside the USoA.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:40 PM   #21
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That's not the point I was attempting to make when I started this. If you want to make your product in china thats fine with me, but don't use TV commercial saying your a 100% USA made product! That's is BS and I just wanted people to realize that. I didn't mean to start a pissing contest of who was right or wrong. Just making a point.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 07:33 PM   #22
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I can tell you guys don't work for or sell to the .gov. Import the scope from China, screw on the adjustment caps. Viola! Made in US of A

I do find it wild that Ruger, Savage, etc can make a rifle more accurate and lower in cost than what was produced in the 1980s and that isn't true for scopes. Granted the coatings have improved but dang...

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 08:06 PM   #23
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Everyone assumes that if *that one product* was still made in the USA it would be so much better.

Made by who? With what skills? Sold at what price?

Not until we fix the trade skills gap, fix our education system, convince entire generations not to be lazy freeloaders, and convince companies that there are reasons to return more than just some sense of nationalism, will our economy be built around high quality manufacturing.

So don't hold your breath.

Until then, I'll just look for the engineers, designers, and well trained craftsmen and tradesmen in the world and purchase their products because they are excellent, not because they are American.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 08:11 PM   #24
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I'm really pleased with the Vortex Viper HS-T. 6-24x50 MRAD
It stays very clear all the way out to 24 power. It was the quarter of the price of a Night Force with about the same specs.

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We don't have a skills gap IMO, we have a pay gap.
I was earning $18.75, scale, in 1983 as a union bricklayer. My first monthly check in the Army was less than I made in a week before I joined.
Unfortunately we have priced our selves out of most markets because of labor costs. Not bashing workers or unions but there has to be a medium. Somewhere there has to be a point where we can live the life we live and afford the products built in our country. I would love to go back to the time where you "looked for the union label" but that time has past.
I remember the time I was rebuilding a blast furnace and the steel workers were cussing the Japanese steel. The Japanese were basically recycling OUR scrap while we were busy making new steel. That steel plant I was working at is closed now, like most of the ones stateside.

Sorry Wasted Ammo for taking your thread off topic.

PS There are good scopes out there still that were made in America, they just might not be the most recent "tacticool" thing. I have a couple El Paso Weavers that I would fight you over.

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We don't have a skills gap IMO, we have a pay gap.
I was earning $18.75, scale, in 1983 as a union bricklayer. My first monthly check in the Army was less than I made in a week before I joined.
Unfortunately we have priced our selves out of most markets because of labor costs. Not bashing workers or unions but there has to be a medium. Somewhere there has to be a point where we can live the life we live and afford the products built in our country. I would love to go back to the time where you "looked for the union label" but that time has past.
I remember the time I was rebuilding a blast furnace and the steel workers were cussing the Japanese steel. The Japanese were basically recycling OUR scrap while we were busy making new steel. That steel plant I was working at is closed now, like most of the ones stateside.

Sorry Wasted Ammo for taking your thread off topic.

PS There are good scopes out there still that were made in America, they just might not be the most recent "tacticool" thing. I have a couple El Paso Weavers that I would fight you over.
No need to apologize to me. I agree with you. I learned my lesson about starting a thread about what I believe. From now on I will keep my thought on such matters to myself. My whole point was don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:43 AM   #27
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It's too bad companies who make products can't put on the label/carton how much of the item is made in the U.S. and how much isn't. The Ford Ranger Assembly plant that was here in St. Paul had lots of it's components come up from Mexico to be shipped up to Minnesota and finally "built" in St. Paul. Tom from MN.

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 01:16 PM   #28
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It's too bad companies who make products can't put on the label/carton how much of the item is made in the U.S. and how much isn't. The Ford Ranger Assembly plant that was here in St. Paul had lots of it's components come up from Mexico to be shipped up to Minnesota and finally "built" in St. Paul. Tom from MN.
There are laws about how many parts have to go into it before it's "Made in USA" but they also vary by state. CA is 100% but then other states are 50/50 USA vs foreign parts.

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