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Old September 28th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #1
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Vortex SPARC/Ultimak combo?

Hey Gang,
I have been researching different red dot optics for use on my scout. I tried several different scoping options, and think I want to go the dot route next. I wanted to know if anyone here has an opinion or review of the Vortex SPARC, especially how it compares to other optics of similar size. Specifically, I wonder if it is possible to get the same cowitness available with the aimpoint/Ultimak combo.

I also found this review on arfcom:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/488888_.html

If anyone has a SPARC, please post pics and give a report. Thanks!

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Old September 28th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #2
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This is one of my rigs. Irons and SPARC do co-witness. For the money, the SPARC is a very good buy.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #3
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Have you had any reliability issues with the SPARC? I have heard some concerns about heat transfer from the barrel and the possibility of affecting function. Thanks for the pics!

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The only problem I've had is the windage cap lanyard came loose from the crimp. A drop of super glue cured that. I haven't put too many rounds through her, but last range outing I shot 50 rounds in 30-45 minutes and the Ultimak didn't get as hot as the SAI scout mount I had. Never noticed any changes, problems with the SPARC during that outing. I think they make a good combo for the money.

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I own 4 Sparks, 2 on ultimak mounts. Good units. Spark has a great warranty policy. Cowitness is good to go, no heat issues.

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Old September 28th, 2012, 04:00 PM   #6
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I've actually mounted and tested the Aimpoint Micro T1, the VorTex SPARC, and the Bushnell TRS-25 on my SOCOM16 with the Ultimak M8 rail and no, they don't all co-witness exactly the same.

The Aimpoint Micro T1 or H1 optics are the best as far as I'm concerned and if I had the money that's the option I'd choose. People that haven't actually compared them to the other optics don't realize how much better the dot works. The Aimpoint's lens design is different and it results in a dot that doesn't move as much and it isn't effected by parallax as much as the others.

For me the Bushnell is my second choice because the dot doesn't seem to work as well (very close though) as the Aimpoint and it's lens is a little darker and I'm not sure that I will like that in low light situations, although it would probably be better than the Aimpoint in intense light situations. The current TRS-25 has a 3 MOA dot while the current Aimpoint has a 2 MOA dot (the older Aimpoint T1 had a 4 MOA dot). I don't think that the difference between a 2 and 3 MOA dot would be all that important in the real world. The Bushnell does co-witness exactly like the Aimpoint. The dot can be aligned just a perfectly on top of the front post with either optic. The cost difference is the most impressive difference, with the Bushnell being under $100 and the Aimpoint almost $700.

The VorTex does not sit as low as either the Bushnell or the Aimpoint. The optic lenses seem a little larger than the Bushnell but about the same as the Aimpoint. Again, the Aimpoint's dot is the most stable and moves the least due to parallax while the SPARC's dot seems to move about the same as the TRS-25. The VorTex lens seemed to be about as bright as the Aimpoint.

I like all three but my recommendation is to go with either the Bushnell or the Aimpoint since they both sit the lowest. And if money is an issue go with the Bushnell.

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RAMMAC, I noticed you said that the Bushnell micro dot sight might be better than the aimpoint in intense light.

I have not handled the micro sights. Is the H1 or T1 much dimmer than the compml2 series?

My compml2 gets so bright it hurts your eyes. (i assumed this setting was for snow)

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RAMMAC, I noticed you said that the Bushnell micro dot sight might be better than the aimpoint in intense light.

I have not handled the micro sights. Is the H1 or T1 much dimmer than the compml2 series?

My compml2 gets so bright it hurts your eyes. (i assumed this setting was for snow)
I should have been more clear, I was referring to the tint on the lenses. The Bushnell seems to be a little darker than the Aimpoint and I think in really bright environments the Bushnell would probably be a little easier on the eye.

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I got mine at Brownells, the $100 limit does not apply to it.
I mounted a Bushnell TRS-25 and it will cowitness with the iron sights.

The ultimak needs a little material removed fron the underside when mounting on a factory shorty due to the thicker barrel profile.
It is an easy fix though .

This shows where the material must be removed



The mounting lug has to sit flush as shown in the pic below
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Its holding up fine...I had the Sparc on a different rifle (M4) and prefer the TRS .
It costs less and mounts lower as well.The red dot is a bit bigger in the TRS though.
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One thing I don't like about the vortex rds is where the controls are, they protrude into your sight picture when shooting with both eyes open, obstructing the field of view, and the on/off button is on the side and just asks to get bumped.
Personaly I would get the trs-25 from B&H Photo for $80 way better value than the SPARC.

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Old September 29th, 2012, 07:47 AM   #10
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My rifle is a SOCOM 16 and I had to shave the Ultimak rail down along most of it's length and I had to remove material from the mounting brackets too.

At the time I had a JAE G3 stock on the rifle and I assumed that the only reason the rail needed to be worked was because of the stock I was using. But after reading the info below, maybe it's an issue with the Ultimak itself with more or less material having to be removed depending on the stock you use. The contact between the Ultimak and the top of the stock causes accuracy problems, your groups will be inconsistent; basically the same issues that hand guard/stock contact causes but more severe.

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Old September 29th, 2012, 08:11 AM   #11
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Get the SPARC...it is an excellent red dot for the price...and customer service is top notch at Vortex. I will admit that I had to send my first SPARC back to Vortex, but not due to any issues with the sight itself. It's almost unbelievable, but I was using an extreme muzzle brake on my Socom II and was required to shoot urban prone under a barrier in a match. Well I fired about 6 rounds and the pressure off of the brake sent sand and mud particles back into my Socom as well as the front lens of the optic. It almost looked as though the front lens of the SPARC had been sand blasted...thats how hard the pressure was from the blowback. I called Vortex, explained the situation and they told me to send it in. Within ONE WEEK, they got the optic, saw the issue and replaced it with a brand new in box SPARC. I got it within one week of sending it out. It is now back on my Socom II and ready for hogs and deer this season.

I have been in the process with reviewing this optic for about 8-10 months with the first one (sending it back that is) slowing down the process a bit. I have never had issues of it loosing zero even on a fully automatic M14. The heat never seemed to be an issue and trust me, it would have come to light when I was shooting the 50 round drum in the full auto M14. The only two issues that really ever seemed to bother me is that the screws are easy to strip out and wished that they made a QD mount like Aimpoint. The rubber caps also break very easily. Other than that not too shabby. I also own an Aimpoint Micro H1 and I really can't tell a difference between functionality of the two. The Aimpoint has better coated lenses and the on off/brightness knob is better..but that would explain the cost.

The bottom line is that I would highly recommend the SPARC to anyone not looking to spend so much on an Aimpoint. While they are really nice and battle proven, they are really expensive for their functioning....its just a RED DOT after all. I love that the SPARC comes with several different options to mount and the little magnifier....the magnifier gives it a kind of "fish eye" look and doesn't leave a lot to be seen as far as the field of view goes, but it is a good component. Overall I have been happy with my SPARC and never plan to get rid of her. Go with the SPARC, you will not be disappointed. Just my two cents...

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Get the SPARC...it is an excellent red dot for the price...and customer service is top notch at Vortex. I will admit that I had to send my first SPARC back to Vortex, but not due to any issues with the sight itself. It's almost unbelievable, but I was using an extreme muzzle brake on my Socom II and was required to shoot urban prone under a barrier in a match. Well I fired about 6 rounds and the pressure off of the brake sent sand and mud particles back into my Socom as well as the front lens of the optic. It almost looked as though the front lens of the SPARC had been sand blasted...thats how hard the pressure was from the blowback. I called Vortex, explained the situation and they told me to send it in. Within ONE WEEK, they got the optic, saw the issue and replaced it with a brand new in box SPARC. I got it within one week of sending it out. It is now back on my Socom II and ready for hogs and deer this season.

I have been in the process with reviewing this optic for about 8-10 months with the first one (sending it back that is) slowing down the process a bit. I have never had issues of it loosing zero even on a fully automatic M14. The heat never seemed to be an issue and trust me, it would have come to light when I was shooting the 50 round drum in the full auto M14. The only two issues that really ever seemed to bother me is that the screws are easy to strip out and wished that they made a QD mount like Aimpoint. The rubber caps also break very easily. Other than that not too shabby. I also own an Aimpoint Micro H1 and I really can't tell a difference between functionality of the two. The Aimpoint has better coated lenses and the on off/brightness knob is better..but that would explain the cost.

The bottom line is that I would highly recommend the SPARC to anyone not looking to spend so much on an Aimpoint. While they are really nice and battle proven, they are really expensive for their functioning....its just a RED DOT after all. I love that the SPARC comes with several different options to mount and the little magnifier....the magnifier gives it a kind of "fish eye" look and doesn't leave a lot to be seen as far as the field of view goes, but it is a good component. Overall I have been happy with my SPARC and never plan to get rid of her. Go with the SPARC, you will not be disappointed. Just my two cents...

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Yes I went with the Sparc for those reasons. I've found out when using doublers/triplers that to avoid the fisheye/or looking thru a straw problem, moving the red dot closer to the eye helps. The doubler and 2 moa dot helps when you want to reach out a little further than CQB. dozier

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