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Old January 9th, 2017, 05:52 PM   #16
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Seems like we chopped it up about this a while back, turned out Kyle was quite a liar.

The insurance companies have some kind of grip on the courts. I was ordered by a judge, once, not to mention that I had insurance during my testimony in a jury trial. I think Ventura said that the award would be covered by the insurance carried by the publisher. Apparently, publishers have insurance that covers them in case the story teller, Kyle, in this case, turn out to be a liar and involve other people in their lies, Ventura, in this case. From what I heard in an interview with Ventura, the case was partially overturned because it was let out that the publisher had insurance that covered publishing lies, which is what occurred. If I remember right, Ventura wanted the info out there, so he didn't get the backlash for going after a widow, when he was going after the publisher, who carries the insurance for such things, or something like that.

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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:36 PM   #17
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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:39 PM   #18
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...When two of our warriors duke it out, I know there's going to be hurt feelings. Kyle had an ego. Ventura had an ego. Pity is that they clashed, rather than being on the same side.
Duking it out can be expected, but that's also where it should have ended. Dragging in the police and courts is just so much BS.

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Old January 9th, 2017, 07:04 PM   #19
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Problem is, they never duked it out, Kyle lied.

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Problem is, they never duked it out, Kyle lied.
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Seems like we chopped it up about this a while back, turned out Kyle was quite a liar.

The insurance companies have some kind of grip on the courts. I was ordered by a judge, once, not to mention that I had insurance during my testimony in a jury trial. I think Ventura said that the award would be covered by the insurance carried by the publisher. Apparently, publishers have insurance that covers them in case the story teller, Kyle, in this case, turn out to be a liar and involve other people in their lies, Ventura, in this case. From what I heard in an interview with Ventura, the case was partially overturned because it was let out that the publisher had insurance that covered publishing lies, which is what occurred. If I remember right, Ventura wanted the info out there, so he didn't get the backlash for going after a widow, when he was going after the publisher, who carries the insurance for such things, or something like that.
I missed whatever earlier thread you refer to. I honestly don't know what the truth is of the event. There were more witnesses on Kyle's side, including 5 SEALS, while Ventura's seem to be a pair of close friends, husband and wife. But none of us were in the bar, or the courtroom, so it remains speculation to us. If you want to argue that Chris Kyle was a liar, I suggest you take that up with people who actually knew him, worked with him and relied on him. Kyle's record of accomplishment is pretty good, from what I have seen. Ventura, on the other hand, once seemed to be a pretty bright guy, but I think the man has shown his true colors. There is absolutely zero standard of manliness or humanity that he displayed in this whole affair. He could have handled this with class, both before and after Kyle was murdered. But class is not something one associates with Ventura. Mostly, he seems to have devolved into a marijuana advocate, conspiracy theorist and down right loony. Whatever accomplishment he achieved in being a UDT/SEAL, I am aware of no record of particular merit from his war service, at least in comparison to Kyle's. But let's face it. Ventura became famous as an actor in that most pathetic form of theater, WWF. If not for that crap, none of us would ever have heard of him. I just don't see much to admire about the man.

As to the legalities of the court case, it would seem to me that the dynamic of the "deep pocket" is a serious consideration in a case like this. A jury, had it thought Taya Kyle was going to have to pay this out personally, might come to a different conclusion. If they are led to believe- as Ventura's side readily admitted they were aiming- that a rich insurance company would pay, they might see no harm in such a judgement. It should not be a factor, the only thing that matters should be the facts of the case as presented, or at least the jury's interpretation of the case. Who is paying should not come into play. So if Ventura has not had enough of this, he can certainly bring the case to a new trial. I, for one, hope he just lets it go. He has made plenty of money, the "million" he spent on this mess was his own choice.

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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:36 AM   #21
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I don't know a lot about this particular case. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen. But IMHO, if there was a physical fight then the barkeeper, a complainant or someone should have called the cops. The cops find evidence+complainant and make an arrest. Or, everybody shakes hands and it is all over. (The Man Code). For either party to bring it up in public (book or interview) is out of line. If the event never happened and someone is making a public statement that it did, that is false, slander. When you are a public persona slander about you can cost you plenty, tangible and intangible. That is why publishers are supposed to confirm what they will report publicly. That is why publishers carry liability insurance. But unless a slandered victim wants to spend lots of time and front money in court, it is not going to get straightened out in public and the publishers will do it all the time. The publishers often gamble on the idea that victims will just move on. (This is why so many of us dislike NBC, CNN and others who publish lies that favor one political side over another.) If there was no police report and it was brought up in public years later makes me say, "Follow the money" - who thought they stood to benefit from making the story public or making up a story. Sounds like Kyle & publisher wanted a spicy tale and the publisher expected Ventura to just walk away.

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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:51 AM   #22
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If by 58 you mean class number I guess that could be right, I don't know how that is structured, but he was born in '51 so obviously he didn't graduate from anything in '58.
Let Don Shipley explain it...


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Old January 10th, 2017, 01:29 PM   #23
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I can't seem to get a link to work. Google up Jesse Ventura discusses Chris Kyle lawsuit (from Joe Rogan Experience #858). It's just over twenty minutes and seems to explain it pretty well, Ventura's side anyway. My personal experience with the gag order on speaking of insurance during testimony in a trial is consistent with what Ventura says. The rest of Ventura's statement seems believable to me, judge for yourself.

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Unfortunately for Ventura, he is such a ding a ling now that its hard to take anything he says seriously. He's a wingnut.

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He has made himself irrelevant.

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Old January 10th, 2017, 02:10 PM   #26
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He did make it through BUD/S, class 58.
The ONLY reason Ventura can wear the trident is the Navy's consolidation of the UDT community into the SEAL community. I've got an old friend that was on SEAL Team 2. He refuses to acknowledge any UDT member as a SEAL.

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For God's sake, Ventura the dude is dead and it couldn't be more of a dead issue itself. Love it when millionaires squabble about their million-dollar entitlements because someone said meany-things years ago that hurt the feefees.

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The ONLY reason Ventura can wear the trident is the Navy's consolidation of the UDT community into the SEAL community. I've got an old friend that was on SEAL Team 2. He refuses to acknowledge any UDT member as a SEAL.
I personally heard Ventura on TV This Week refer to himself as a---

"Special Forces Soldier" !!!

He then corrected himself to say---"Special Forces SAILOR" !!!



Hmmm...is there any group of Veterans that won't piss-off !?

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His service to country notwithstanding, I've never cared for Jesse Ventura

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Old January 10th, 2017, 04:33 PM   #30
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He aint that old. 68 maybe

If by 58 you mean class number I guess that could be right, I don't know how that is structured, but he was born in '51 so obviously he didn't graduate from anything in '58.
Probably graduated from pissing himself to pull ups.....still a few years too late.

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