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Old September 29th, 2016, 03:40 PM   #1
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US Navy deep-sixes tradition for equality. No more ratings



https://www.navytimes.com/articles/n...areer-shake-up

The Navy deep-sixed all of its 91 enlisted ratings titles Thursday, marking the beginning of an overhaul of the rigid career structure that has existed since the Continental Navy in a radical shift sure to reverberate through the fleet and the veterans community beyond.

Sailors will no longer be identified by their job title, say, Fire Controlman 1st Class Joe Sailor, effective immediately. Instead, that would be Petty Officer 1st Class Joe Sailor.



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The huge changes to Navy careers that MCPON wants
Officials say the controversial move will improve sailors' lives and ease their transition into the civilian workforce by broadening their skills in this tectonic shift in Navy’s personnel system to redraw the traditional lines between enlisted job specialties — a massive shake-up that is only beginning. Within the next three to four years, earlier if possible, the service plans to allow sailors to retrain in related skills, expanding their worth to the Navy while reaping broader assignment opportunities as well as increased advancement changes and greater access to special pays and bonuses that come with the most critical skills.

“We’re going to immediately do away with rating titles and address each other by just our rank as the other services do,” said Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. Robert Burke in a Sept. 19 interview. “We recognize that’s going to be a large cultural change, it’s not going to happen overnight, but the direction is to start exercising that now.”

Sailors past and present have longstanding and deep love of the titles that have defined their Navy lives. All of these now belong to the history books.



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Enlisted reforms would end Navy's advancement exams
To highlight a few: Gunner’s Mate stood up the watch in 1775 in the Contintental Navy. Boatswain’s Mate dropped anchor in 1775, too. Hospital Corpsman rushed to duty in 1948 after being called four other names over the previous 150 years. Operations Specialists started tracking in 1972 an upgrade from the name Radarman before it.

Through Navy history, as many as 700 titles have come and gone. Over 400 were created and eliminating during and immediately after World War II. But this move will disband these ratings entirely and reorganize sailors into Navy Occupational Specialties, or NOS, that will define the peer group they compete with for promotion. Under this new system, for example, Gunner's mates will be identified as B320 and quartermasters will be B450.

What do you think of dumping sailor's rating titles and the larger enlisted force shake-up the Navy has begun? Send your take to Navy Times .

The move also strips the titles airman, fireman, constructionman and hospitalman, titles that will be also replaced by job codes. The title seaman is the sole non-rated rating remaining, for E-3 and below.

The moves leaves the enlisted force's foremost symbols as the petty officer crow and the chief petty officer anchors. It remains unclear what will happen to the ratings badges that feature iconic rating insignia that officials are considering changing. An engineman’s gear. An information systems technician’s sparks. These images were beloved by many and inspired countless tattoos.



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Radical plan would allow sailors to hold multiple ratings
The huge shift was approved by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson and had been advocated by the now retired Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Mike Stevens, who urged it as way to promote more cross-training and boost sailors’ post-service employment opportunity. It began by a directive from Mabus to find gender-neutral rating titles that stripped them of the word "man," in an effort to be more inclusive to women sailors who make up an increasing size of the force.

In June, the Marine Corps — also under the Mabus edict — announced they’d take “man” out of 19 occupational titles, as well. The Navy's newly released answer is to take a much more difficult and controversial approach by scrapping their existing system and starting over.

Sailors's aren't losing everything in their titles, however: the warfare qualifications that demonstrate mastery of their operational commands will remain.


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Navy looks to remove 'man' from all job titles

“Sailors take great pride in earning those coveted warfare designations and they like to place those behind their ratings because they want people to know they’ve earned them," said Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (IDW/SW) Steve Giordano said in the Sept. 19 interview. “That won’t go away — they will still have those as part of their titles.”

Burke says the Navy's new occupational specialties will be regrouped under broader career fields, an improved version of the 13 communities the service ratings these specialties had been grouped into. Where a NOS falls in those career fields will be driven by the individual skills within that field and not traditional lines, he said. Officials say these changes will allow sailors to choose from a wider variety of jobs and duty stations and ultimately provide multiple avenues for advancement. And when they get out — their skills and experience will more directly translate into a civilian job.

Still up in the air is what to do about the Navy's specialty marks — those rating-specific designs on dress uniforms, belt buckles — even pins on a sailor's ball cap.

For now, there is no change, Burke said.

“It’s definitely our plan to cross that bridge, but it will be one of the last thing we’ll do for a couple of reasons. One depends on how we draw the career fields lines and something may fall out, based on that, I just don’t know, yet."

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Old September 29th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #2
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Sure sounds like a Royal Crock of Shi-- to me!!!
A perfekt example of this "Politically Korrekt" Krap getting completely out of control!!!
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Old September 29th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #3
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I guess it's now an MOS thing , like the Marines.

Well , Sailors are wearing marine-looking uniforms these days.

Who's running the show?

I will forever wear this patch with pride!



I guess today's Sailors will gripe about being referred to as "Petty" next!

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Seems a good idea to me. It brings the Navy in line with the other services.

Now, about this gray color you squids like to paint on everything .....


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I think all the services use the same title ..... pecker checker. -Lloyd

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It's a new idea and I'll shun it. PC BS imo. I was an IC2. Brother squids know what that is and from your rate I know what you were. Why "fix" it if it's not broke?

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i dont like it, this is a slap in the face for anyone who takes pride in their rate. I am now and i will always be a fire controlman

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I guess it's now an MOS thing , like the Marines.
Well , Sailors are wearing marine-looking uniforms these days.
Who's running the show?
I will forever wear this patch with pride!

I guess today's Sailors will gripe about being referred to as "Petty" next!
Neat! Where did you get that patch??? Never seen that before.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 02:20 AM   #10
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Perhaps we also should remove any awards , medals , wings or ribbons from uniforms , because they might cause feelings of inferiority to those who have not earned any.

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Sounds reasonable to me. Rank could be designated by verticle stripes for enlisted and horizontal stripes for officers. Neither to exceed 4.

Still like to know where you got the AO patch!
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 07:49 AM   #12
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Right here , but it looks like he's out of AO right now.

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Unreal.....

Next there will be no more different colored flight deck jerseys/cranials, and probably no more gold chevrons/hash marks because those that couldn't earn them would have hurt feelings....

The Navy is becoming more like Star Fleet from Star Trek every day.....not a combative military force...an expeditionary force that can provide combat support "if needed".....LMAO...

All I can say is AAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

.....and I still say If You Aint Ordnance You Aint Sh*t!!!

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Old October 2nd, 2016, 04:05 PM   #14
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Star Trek still used traditional Naval ratings like helmsman , navigator , yeoman , etc.






Shoulda put Obama and Hillary's faces on them^!

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That's not Star Trek.........that is Star Wars.......you have now created a geek fight within the force......lol

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