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Old September 28th, 2016, 02:07 PM   #1
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You're KIDDING ME, right?!?!?

My brother-in-law, a 19-year 345 day Navy 1st Class Nuclear ET, all aboard submarines, finally managed to make Chief this month. What does he do, goes through Initiation and is RETIRING a two weeks later.

I about flipped a lid. Dude left the Navy with no job after 20-some interviews in the nuclear power field. Some interviewers straight up asked him, "Why have you not made Chief?" <<< I told him, "You DO REALIZE a lot of people who were Nukes in the Navy work in nuclear power...you should be ready to answer that question because it's a pretty glaring issue...and by the way, why have you NOT made Chief in 20 years??

He is no longer eligible for submarine duty because he has some kind of medical issue. His excuse for leaving the Navy a week after making Chief (and having a job for at least 2 more years): "I don't want to go to the Surface Navy."

He'd rather leave with NO JOB to support his family than go to the surface Navy. All he's done the entire 15 years I've known him is whine and complain about submarine duty. I think it's more along the lines of he can no longer "hide" as a CPO so he's cutting and running.

I told him, "You spent 20 years in the military to take home E-6 retirement pay," and, "Don't be bragging around the VFW about how you were a CHIEF in the Navy...because you really weren't."

My dad, rest his soul, was a retired Navy Master Chief. He's probably rolling over in his grave.

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Old September 28th, 2016, 02:15 PM   #2
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he goes out with a disability on a chiefs pay,free medical,and gets out before some stupid politician pushes a button.he can now go private sector.make more money,or just let the wife get a second job

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Old September 28th, 2016, 02:30 PM   #3
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Since he made chief, maybe he figures the next nuclear power companies interviews will go better, although he will have to answer that glaring mystery of why he retired one week after promotion.

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Since he made chief, maybe he figures the next nuclear power companies interviews will go better, although he will have to answer that glaring mystery of why he retired one week after promotion.
This is a simple question to answer. Nothing complicated needed.

He was ready to retire several years ago but wanted to remain until he made grade for a higher retirement pay.

This is common in any private sector field that still has pensions, which are becoming dinosaurs.

Nobody in the private sector is going to fault anyone for hanging in there for higher pension capability, and leaving once that is attained.

Time left to get a second pension and make more in retirement than he made working.

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This is a simple question to answer. Nothing complicated needed.

He was ready to retire several years ago but wanted to remain until he made grade for a higher retirement pay.
I have no doubt he was "ready" to retire several years ago; however, he didn't hang around long enough to get a higher rate of retirement pay. He's an E7 on paper but he will never receive a full E7 pay check. He was pinned on September 16 and will retire September 30. That beside that fact that he's a "Redux" Sailor who took a $30K "payoff" at year 15 (I think it was) that, in turn, reduced his retirement pay by 10%. Therefore, his effective retirement rate is 40% of E-6 pay.

Even if he retired under the High-3 retirement system, he'd still be getting E-6 retirement pay. There's no way around it. He retires as a "Paper Chief" on an E-6 retirement pay.

To each his own, I suppose.

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My sister, a former member of the Brigade of Midshipmen, is somewhat in the same boat. Graduated majoring in nuclear physics, went to post grad in Monterey, went to nuke school in Saratoga springs and was put on the the Michigan. She is thinking of getting out and I said kinda the same thing about what will you do for a job.

She's started her shore tour so I'll see her next month and maybe she's come up with answer since I last saw her in December.

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Sounds like the kind of person who skated by for 20 years.

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Civilian nuclear facilities and the adminstrations that run them do NOT like Navy people. At least ComEd (now Exelon) did not. They really hated the "back on the Youstafish we did it this way". Very clannish pack of a_holes, actually.

Civilian nukes are closing, most getting to the end of their lives. Just the new 2 reactor unit down in Florida, and there are probably 10 out-of-work types trying to get on there for every job that will exist.

Yes, that was a LONG time to make Chief, but I don't have any idea how advancement is going these days. I passed the Machinist Mate Chief exam with flying colors (early 1980s), but was Passed-Not Advanced (PNA) because the Chiefs themselves (back then) had say over who was advanced. If he pissed off enough Chiefs above him he might have built his own brick wall.

I agree with getting out and not getting tossed into the Surface Navy, though he might have hit better port calls in 2 years of Skimmer duty than he has in 20 years of subs! He's got his retirement. He should IMMEDIATELY register with the VA. Depending on his "disability" which can't be much if the Skimmers would take him, then he needs to get into VA before he finds a civvie job with benefits or he will end up Group 8 and VA won't touch him after that.

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At least he has E-6 retirement pay. I was dumb and didn't serve, I would be retired years ago like that and just enjoyed life.
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For better or worse he promoted and did 20 years. Let him go with dignity vice bagging on him on a forum. It is his life to live and mistakes to make. He has a background that will land him a job somewhere. Its not like he joined the Dept of Transportation after all. Nukes are a weird bunch but he will be laughing when we are complaining about another mundane transgender cyber security training.

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O ranks do...or did....this regularly. Just prior to retirement, they would be 'issued' a promotion.

Officers on flight status were suddenly disabled immediately prior to retirement.

Or, unfit ex pilots were suddenly certified to fly...again...immediately prior to retirement.

Just playing the system.

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For better or worse he promoted and did 20 years. Let him go with dignity vice bagging on him on a forum. It is his life to live and mistakes to make. He has a background that will land him a job somewhere. Its not like he joined the Dept of Transportation after all. Nukes are a weird bunch but he will be laughing when we are complaining about another mundane transgender cyber security training.
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he goes out with a disability on a chiefs pay,free medical,and gets out before some stupid politician pushes a button.he can now go private sector.make more money,or just let the wife get a second job
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This is a simple question to answer. Nothing complicated needed.

He was ready to retire several years ago but wanted to remain until he made grade for a higher retirement pay.

This is common in any private sector field that still has pensions, which are becoming dinosaurs.

Nobody in the private sector is going to fault anyone for hanging in there for higher pension capability, and leaving once that is attained.

Time left to get a second pension and make more in retirement than he made working.
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I have no doubt he was "ready" to retire several years ago; however, he didn't hang around long enough to get a higher rate of retirement pay. He's an E7 on paper but he will never receive a full E7 pay check. He was pinned on September 16 and will retire September 30. That beside that fact that he's a "Redux" Sailor who took a $30K "payoff" at year 15 (I think it was) that, in turn, reduced his retirement pay by 10%. Therefore, his effective retirement rate is 40% of E-6 pay.

Even if he retired under the High-3 retirement system, he'd still be getting E-6 retirement pay. There's no way around it. He retires as a "Paper Chief" on an E-6 retirement pay.

To each his own, I suppose.
Retirement is not what it used to be. Sometime in the mid 80's they changed the system. It used to be 50% of base pay of your last month served at 20 years. Then it went to 50% of your base pay averaged over the last 36 months at 20 years. Then they switched it to 40% of your base pay averaged over the last 36 months at 20 years. That is where the REDUX comes into play, people found out that they were gonna get the big green weanie and then the system was changed again. At your 15 year mark you had to make a decision. You could take 30K and stay at 40% or bump up to the "High Three" at 50%. So his retirement pay will be 35.5 months of E6 and .5 months of E7 pay. The smart ones did not take the 30K because they new in the long run that taking the 50% was a better financial decision.

I am surprised that the navy is even promoting him to chief.

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I'm an E6 in the AF at 13.5 yrs. I've tested for E7 once and about to my second time in February. The military political system is a fickle b*tch to say the least. Once a week I tell leadership one of the 15 critical decisions they made was wrong and once a month I tell them they were absolutely !&@$ing wrong. That in and of itself will probably cause me to not make it past E7. I'm ok with that. I enjoy my job and do everything in my power to make the AF a better more efficient fighting-flying machine while taking care of my subordinates. I won't sell my soul for rank. So more power to your brother-in-law. He faithfully served his country for 20 years, will be leaving with a pension and medical, and is very competitive in the commercial sector.

Rank in the commercial sector--it doesn't matter:
Every AF Chief/E9 that I know from my career field that's retired has said the same thing... "Not one company cared that I made Chief. They wanted to know if I had a BAS..." I call BS on the "why didn't you make higher rank than E6?" Part. If you're going for a supervisor role than companies want to know if you have the credidation and experience; not how much @$$ you kissed in the military.

if I were you; I'd say congrats to your brother-in-law for sticking it out for 20 and thanks for wanting to spend more time with my sister. If I make rank for E7 @ 19+ years and the tempo was the same as it is now, my wife would make me punch out. We've sacrificed and been apart for the majority of the last 5 years in my current duty. If your brother feels the same and has the same discussed for the military political system then you should probably support his decision.

Please send my congratulations to your in-law and thx for his 20 yrs of dedicated service to our country.

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Rank in the commercial sector--it doesn't matter:

Please send my congratulations to your in-law and thx for his 20 yrs of dedicated service to our country.
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Russ - I think you missed my point: it wasn't about serving 20 years and retiring. It was about serving 20 years, achieving a "career promotion," and then quitting two weeks later WITH NO JOB TO GO TO and a family to support. I think my point was to gauge from other educated individuals if I was just being too much a hard-a$$ in my opinion of how he's handling his affairs as it relates to my sister. No one on this website personally knows either one of us; therefore, no one is being "outted."

He and my sister asked me my opinion (probably the wrong person to ask as I've been on active duty 30+ years and still kicking) on what I thought he should do. I told him to remain in the Navy if he had no job to go to on the outside. Do another two years; try to make E8; finish your undergrad studies while you can still use tuition assistance (instead of your 9/11 benefits); get your financial affairs in order and get back on the job search WELL BEFORE you retire.

Bottom line is this: An E6 retirement pay, after taxes, probably won't make a mortgage payment. Regardless of whether or not he was able to make E8, two more years as an E7 results in a decent bump in retirement pay. He also leaves the military better prepared for the outside with a Bachelor degree, 22 years of service, and more refined selling points as an E7 with 2 years of "real" mid-grade supervisor experience. Instead, he made what I think is a rash, virtually unprepared decision and chose to retire.

However, you are exactly correct >>> Congrats to my brother-in-law for doing 20 years (and I'm not being facetious)!!

As well, I'm going to have to disagree with you that the rank you achieve in the military most certainly DOES play a huge roll in your ability to compete for a federal civilian job. Would YOU hire a 20-yr E5 over a 20-year E9?

It may not make a difference in the private sector but it certainly makes a HUGE difference in the federal sector. The most glaring difference will be you starting as a GS-5 vs. a GS-13. That's a $75,000/yr difference.

E9's, Senior Warrant Officer's, and Commissioned Officer's O-4 and above are generally involved in "PROGRAM management" positions. E6's, 7's, and 8's are generally involved in "Project management" positions. Two entirely different animals. Now that's not to say you can't get a Program Management job as an E7/8; however, it's very hard to be competitive as as E6 simply BECAUSE OF the numbers of E9's+ that are competing for the same jobs. That's just the cold, hard facts of the federal job market.

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