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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:19 PM   #16
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It is about time!!! [;)

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Hi! All! Well, after several years, we (Choate Machine & Tool) are now manufacturing a Side Folding M1A/M14 stock. Made with a Springfield composite stock and one of our side folding stocks, housing, and pistol grip. Locks up solid. Our side folders are made from tool steel (housing, pin, and arm) and a polypropolene/fiberglass mix(the arm covering). Topped off with a recoil pad. They are made in the USA and have a Lifetime Warranty.

LOP on the Factory stock is 13.5" and the LOP on our folder is 13.5".

Yes, I can arrange a group buy, as requested. Just call us or PM me here.


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https://secure.riflestock.com/catalo...CID=289&Lev=S3

Thanks!

Bryon
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Just two points ;
1.] The Springfield composite stock does not fit the Chinese receivers without a slight modification .... extending the angled surface on the right side all the way back to where the F/A cutout is on a GI stock. Otherwise the S/A stock needs a bit of filing to angle the existing flat section there. Extending this bevel to fit the Chinese does NOT in any way impair fit with any other receiver.

2.] I initially used the Choate side folders for my do-it-yourself M14 stocks, however this was decades ago. Somewhere in the LATE 80S / EARLY 90S I noticed that the Choate side folders no longer locked up SOLID, or stayed solid under the recoil of an M14 type rifle. Perhaps they went to a lighter spring in the lock mechanism??? One trick I discovered was adding a spacer washer under the spring, to stiffen the spring tension a bit, which helped tighten the lock up.

Mostly because of excess WIGGLE with the Choate side folders of the time, and also because I preferred the style of the thinner STEEL tubes, I switched to the Butler Creek side folders for my M14 stocks. The B/C side folders locked up SOLID, and stayed solid. eg: My personal side folder was made about 1990, using a Butler Creek side folder, and even with decades of abuse, it still locks up SOLID.

Hopefully these new Choate side folder locking mechanisms have been upgraded from the previous versions, to take the recoil and abuse that a side folder on an M14 will usually be put through. The life time warranty is comforting, but a side folder that WIGGLES is a major distraction when shooting ... at least for me.
YPMMV


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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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Now I'm really curious what that group buy deal is going to be

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I had a SA M1A-A1 Bushmaster carbine with the folding stock a few years back, I loved it. I had to sell it to pay the bills, I sold the stock by itself and the rifle in a walnut stock. I seem to recall I made a pretty good profit on the stock.

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Hi! Thanks for the review. We have upgraded our housings and they are all made from tool steel. Manufacturing have progressed and so have we. They LOCK UP SOLID. I have one on a shop M1A that has seen about 1500 rounds fired. Still locks up like day one. Our Lifetime Warranty should be comforting. Every manufacturer should stand behind what they make. We have been in business for 42 years and plan on being here another 42 years!!


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Just two points ;
1.] The Springfield composite stock does not fit the Chinese receivers without a slight modification .... extending the angled surface on the right side all the way back to where the F/A cutout is on a GI stock. Otherwise the S/A stock needs a bit of filing to angle the existing flat section there. Extending this bevel to fit the Chinese does NOT in any way impair fit with any other receiver.

2.] I initially used the Choate side folders for my do-it-yourself M14 stocks, however this was decades ago. Somewhere in the LATE 80S / EARLY 90S I noticed that the Choate side folders no longer locked up SOLID, or stayed solid under the recoil of an M14 type rifle. Perhaps they went to a lighter spring in the lock mechanism??? One trick I discovered was adding a spacer washer under the spring, to stiffen the spring tension a bit, which helped tighten the lock up.

Mostly because of excess WIGGLE with the Choate side folders of the time, and also because I preferred the style of the thinner STEEL tubes, I switched to the Butler Creek side folders for my M14 stocks. The B/C side folders locked up SOLID, and stayed solid. eg: My personal side folder was made about 1990, using a Butler Creek side folder, and even with decades of abuse, it still locks up SOLID.

Hopefully these new Choate side folder locking mechanisms have been upgraded from the previous versions, to take the recoil and abuse that a side folder on an M14 will usually be put through. The life time warranty is comforting, but a side folder that WIGGLES is a major distraction when shooting ... at least for me.
YPMMV


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BTDT with side folder M14 stocks for about 30 years ...

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Thanks for bringing out the stock. However, I made mine for about $120.

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Old February 24th, 2012, 06:35 AM   #21
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Seems like the perfect stock for a lightweight truck gun. Relatively inexpensive compared to others. I've considered using a SAGE EBR for that purpose.

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That is good news.

My old original Choate side folder locks up as tight as a fixed stock.

Also when I use a scope on the rifle I just put a piece of foam pipe insulation over the stock to raise my "cheek weld" works great.

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Just curious, any way to make it fold left? I like that idea better, I think McMillan's does it. That way I could drape brush-looking material over the stock to break up the weapon's outline and still have access to the trigger with the stock folded. Would also be cool to find a way to attach the BAD-T1 to the stock, whether it be a cleaning kit hole or the cordura pouch on a strap.

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Good news for M14 owners ... another choice in stocks is GREAT!!!

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Hi! Thanks for the review. We have upgraded our housings and they are all made from tool steel. Manufacturing have progressed and so have we. They LOCK UP SOLID. I have one on a shop M1A that has seen about 1500 rounds fired. Still locks up like day one. Our Lifetime Warranty should be comforting. Every manufacturer should stand behind what they make. We have been in business for 42 years and plan on being here another 42 years!!
YEP,
anyone who has been in business knows that EVERYONE occasionally makes mistakes. It is how a company handles a mistake that counts, and ensures LONG TERM longevity.

I've always respected CHOATE equipment, with the one exception I pointed out regarding weak springs in the side folder locks .... wayyyyy back in the 90s. Your life time warranty and hard won corporate longevity speak for them self. I've also heard more recently that your NEW side folders are successfully used on other heavy recoiling rifles.

As you can see from my previous posts, I am already a BIG fan of the US GI M14 fiberglass stock with a side folder. Decades of experience with this design have proven to me personally, and to many others as well, that this is one of the best configurations for an M14 shorty rifle ...
to date.

AND IT LOOKS GOOD TOO!!!

If I wasn't such a Cheap BA$TARD,
dedicated to promoting do-it-yourself,
I'd probably be signing up right now for one of these new Choate side folders.

Realistically, after you spend the current asking price for a decent M14 GI stock,
and a side folder mechanism,
plus incidental shop supplies,
a do-it-yourself M14 side folder does not save all that much $$$ ... at least if you value your time at more than a few $$ an hour.

All a DIY gets is the satisfaction of ... well ... actually doing it HIMSELF!!!

Having a FACTORY MADE side folding M14 stock available is a great new option for M14 owners ...
especially those that are more handsome than handy..
[;)


PS: In the interest of full disclosure,
I have to state for the record that ...
In a few months we might be "sort of" competitors.

I say "Sort of" because we feel our new M14.CA ALLOY EBR stock will be marketed to a different customer segment than any composite stock.

I am in the final part of the process of designing a NEW HEAVY DUTY but still LIGHT WEIGHT ALLOY EBR type stock, with multiple rail attachment locations, and a new ADJUSTABLE free floating design that uses the op rod guide instead of the ferrule to connect the barrel to the forearm.

Not much overlap there between our products.

I am also in the process of designing a NEW HEAVY DUTY but still LIGHT WEIGHT ALLOY side folder mechanism to attach to our ALLOY EBR style stocks. This design will co-ordinate visyually with our EBR style of staock, have adjustments for length of pull, and be more robust that the typical AR 15 butt stock hardware.

Good luck with the new CHOATE side folder ...
I'm sure you will sell a ton of them.

And as I said earlier,
IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!
[;)
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PPS: Now if only you take my advice about changing that FLAT SECTION AT THE BACK RIGHT of the stock so it works with Chinese receivers as well , with no detriment to other brands,
you could save some Chinese M14 owners some DIY time reshaping that flat to a proper angle to fit their receivers
BTDT.

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Choate makes a similar folder used on the PT 91's. I have one and it is well made.

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Hi! All! Well, after several years, we (Choate Machine & Tool) are now manufacturing a Side Folding M1A/M14 stock. Made with a Springfield composite stock and one of our side folding stocks, housing, and pistol grip. Locks up solid. Our side folders are made from tool steel (housing, pin, and arm) and a polypropolene/fiberglass mix(the arm covering). Topped off with a recoil pad. They are made in the USA and have a Lifetime Warranty.

LOP on the Factory stock is 13.5" and the LOP on our folder is 13.5".

Yes, I can arrange a group buy, as requested. Just call us or PM me here.


LINK:

https://secure.riflestock.com/catalo...CID=289&Lev=S3

Thanks!

Bryon

Do you have an estimate on the weight of Rifle without the scope???

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Old February 28th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #29
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Glad to see this introduced in an M14 forum setting. Gotta have one, group buy or no! Looks to me like a SOCOM will fold up to be just a hair less than 26" in length. Now THAT will make an easy to stow in the truck package! Getting down into M4 size territory with the '14 sounds great.

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Do you have an estimate on the weight of Rifle without the scope???
I can tell you what our side folding stock weighs(2.55 lbs), the total weight would depend on which rifle you own.

For those looking for a beefed up M4 stock kit for attaching to one of the M14/M1A stocks that offer that option, we have a commercial stock kit that has deeper holes for the stock pin and the pin it self are 3/8"". The standard is 5/16".
We have several AR10 manufacturers that buy them for their OEM stocks for the AR10. If buying for an AR10 all you need is the AR10 buffer(we don't make one) and the kit will work on your rifle.

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