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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:20 AM   #1
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Removal & Installation of Vltor Cluster Rail System

I have a new SOCOM II that I want to replace the ugly bedliner coated black stock & Vltor Cluster Rail system w/ a new take off walnut stock and handguard/mount off a M1A Scout. Once I remove the cluster rail rail can it be reattached w/o a gunsmith? I have heard that they can be very difficult to fit and can cause oprod binding & rail canting issues.

Since I have the SA box & paperwork want to be able to return the rifle to stock condition at a later date if I decide to shift it off for another needful thing (like a Super Match or M21).

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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:52 AM   #2
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Removal of the cluster rail system is not crazy difficult but you know that if you remove just the bottom rail section (which just levers off after you squeeze the two tabs closest to the receiver) that the TOP rail stays on the gun and you can drop it into another stock and have the top three rails (to mount your scout scope, and whatever else you want) with the other stock. Then to go back to factory, you just drop it in the original stock and clip on the bottom rail again. The top rail is pretty unobtrusive. I will say that while it isn't crazy dificult to remove it, you will have trouble "lining it up" when you reinstall it. Since you can always remove the top section later, just try removing the bottom and dropping it in your new stock to see what you think. Like this:



Then you don't have to take off the top section -- unless you HATE it -- but I don't think you will love the Scout mount.
I don't understand the affection for the SAI Scout mount because it transfers heat from the barrel directly to the rings and scope. I always remove it.

PM me if you have more questions. I may not be clear.
I've installed a few

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Old June 30th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #3
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Your rifle looks fine w/ the lower rail assy removed. I think I will try my little SOCOM II w/ the stock upper rail and the new walnut stock. I'm sure I can find someone to take the scount mount and handguard off my hands at a letter date.

What stock are you running? It sure looks great.

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Old June 30th, 2010, 06:13 PM   #4
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My FAVORITE M1-A stock --



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Iceberg, there is not much involved with the removal or reattachment of the Vltor. Here is a link that might help.

http://m14tfl.com/upload/showthread....149#post469149

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Old June 30th, 2010, 08:04 PM   #6
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Great thread, however it only shows the removal procedures & does not address installation concerns.

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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:18 PM   #7
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Great thread, however it only shows the removal procedures & does not address installation concerns.
Installation? Lets put it this way: I've had a dozen CLuster railed guns installed from SA and NONE of them had a rail that was straight from stripper clip guide to gas block.

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Old July 1st, 2010, 06:20 AM   #8
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Good point, my gun's rail is not square & it was installed by Springfield. I had read on a posting that Springfield & Vltor do not sell the cluster rail as an assy due to concerns about improper installation.
I really like my little gun, but not the rail, so I don't think that resale concerns are an issue.

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Old July 2nd, 2010, 12:17 AM   #9
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one last time -- have you tried just taking off the huge, ugly cheese grater lower half?
That top rail works pretty cool and doesn't interfere with any replacement stock.

But you paid for it, do what you want.

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Old July 2nd, 2010, 05:50 AM   #10
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I removed it last night and installed my std walnut M1A stock on the rifle; it looked great.

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Old July 2nd, 2010, 10:48 AM   #11
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Yes! Let's see it!

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Old July 3rd, 2010, 07:31 PM   #12
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Well I cracked my new SA walnut stock trying to install it on my SOCOM. I gave it a pop and the forearm cracked where the Vltor bbl mounting bracket attaches. At least I had a spare factory walnut stock that I picked up for my SOCOM that I can use to replace the cracked one from my Std M1A. Major bummer! Well, now I have a nice set of metal for a new Boyd's stock if I decide to go that way.

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Well I cracked my new SA walnut stock trying to install it on my SOCOM. I gave it a pop and the forearm cracked where the Vltor bbl mounting bracket attaches. At least I had a spare factory walnut stock that I picked up for my SOCOM that I can use to replace the cracked one from my Std M1A. Major bummer! Well, now I have a nice set of metal for a new Boyd's stock if I decide to go that way.
Define that "pop?"

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I finally got her sorted out.


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you have to make sure you tighten the upper rail on the socom II EVENLY it took me a bit of playing around b/c mine wasn't straight from the factory either.... 2-3 tries a bit of the micrometer and it's perfect.. as long as i never take it off again... lol

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