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Old May 21st, 2009, 09:45 PM   #1
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Sage Mod 0 or Mod 1

I am looking at buying a Sage EBR stock for a Springfield Scout Squad, and am debating between the mod 0 and mod 1. I am planning on using a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10 x 24 Scope on it, and am wondering whether the buttstock on the mod 1 with the Magpul cheek risers is even high enough for a comfortable cheek weld using the Sage cantilever scope mount and low rings. I like the looks of the mod 1 better and that it is lighter, but the cheek weld will be the deciding factor. The adjustability of the mod 0 would probably be the only reason I would buy it over the mod 1. Thanks for the help guys.

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Old May 23rd, 2009, 09:10 AM   #2
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Since nobody will throw you a bone.
I would opt for the MOD1. I dont know
how much adjustability you need.
I vote the MOD1, lighter.

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Old May 23rd, 2009, 11:06 AM   #3
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FWIW I'm going to assume Mod 0 is the original sliding, collapsible stock, which is what I have. I went with a Leupold 1.5-5x20 which looks similar to the Nightforce. I went with ARMS #22 High Rings to allow use of the iron sights. Plenty of good cheekweld.

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Old May 23rd, 2009, 11:29 AM   #4
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Yes, you are correct! The Mod0 is the original sliding
collapsible stock.

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Old May 26th, 2009, 06:41 PM   #5
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I've owned both versions and i like the mod 1 best. it's lighter, more adaptable for different butt stocks. the magpul ctr is perfect with it's different height cheek pieces, you can even add a endine shot stock for even less recoil.



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It's amazing what a search engine can find... this must be a Mod 0





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Old June 7th, 2009, 04:13 PM   #7
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Are EBR kits legal in California

I see a post with someone who has an EBR kit, are EBR kits legal in the wonder republik of Kalifornia?

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Old June 7th, 2009, 04:23 PM   #8
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you can use a pistol gripped sage ebr as long as you have a fixed 10 round mag or a non pistol grip fixed stock (cali-sage), with the cali you can use std. hi cap mags just like a stock m1a

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Old June 19th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #9
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I went with a Mod 1, mainly because it is saving me 2 pounds that I will use for optics.

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Old June 19th, 2009, 02:24 PM   #10
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Mod0

I went with Mod0 because my main intended use is DMR. I have a 22" Loaded M1A however, not the Squad Scout. But I liked the idea I didn't have to shell out additional bucks for the M4 type stock and additional risers to get a good cheek weld. Everything essentially comes with the ALCS (Mod0). I looked at my initial rifle from Springfield, and in the Sage EBR Mod0 the specs are about the same weight.

If your intention is a CQB rifle, then I would suggest the ALCS/CV (Mod1) since its lighter, and you have a larger choice of stock options (I think you can get a folding stock), but if you intend to use it to shoot at longer ranges, I don't think the weight difference is much of a concern.

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Old November 5th, 2009, 07:51 AM   #11
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I've owned both versions and i like the mod 1 best. it's lighter, more adaptable for different butt stocks. the magpul ctr is perfect with it's different height cheek pieces, you can even add a endine shot stock for even less recoil.

Bringing this thread back (hijack alert) with an Endine question...

I've been lobbying the powers that be at work to let me equip with one of the old USGI M-14s they have in the armory instead of an M-4. It has a fun switch and they feel that with that, it is uncontrollable and not deployable. They have allowed me to equip and qualify with it if I can prove them wrong. A full build-up is underway on my dime. (I get my stuff back and return the rifle to OE when I separate from service.) I'm trying to convert the non-believers and nay-sayers.

I picked-up a Sage EBR Mod 1 stock and was thinking of mounting an Endine shot stock. I know there are not a ton of F/A M-14s out there and the info pool may be small, but do you think it would help with controlling full-auto bursts or a fools errand?

I know I can add the SEI/USCG compensator, but will go with the SEI DC Flash Hider if it's not needed to achieve my recoil reduction/controllability goals.

Probably going to install a chrome-lined SEI 18" barrel or a medium-weight 18" (haven't decided yet), and the usual selection of Sadlak and SEI accessories.

Any insight on the benifit of using the Endine product in this application?

Thanks.

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Old November 5th, 2009, 02:57 PM   #12
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You lucky *astard!
Please keep us informed
That is awesome.
I am a fellow MOD1 owner, no fun switch, no experience with the endine

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Old November 18th, 2009, 08:28 AM   #13
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MagPul has made tall 1 1/4 inch risers for the CTR stock for the Mod 1 - they are not cheap (cast resin vs. molded for up to 3/4 inch), but get the height for use of throw lever mounts (Sage or LaRue). For best control consider both a brake and recoil reducing stock (along with good recoil pad).

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Old November 19th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #14
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ok, here's the im i sent to prophet.

The biggest benefit of the endine is less felt recoil and quicker time back on target. I put around 300 rounds through my mod-1 a couple of weekends ago and it was smooth and when i was done my shoulder wasn't sore. It has that funny "boing" sound of a AR.

I was banging the 300 yard plate quicker than i could before the endine and alot quicker than my buddy with his fiberglass stocked socom. I had the coast guard brake but switched it out for the newer SEI M14DC California Compensator and dovetail gas lock front sight. It is loud with the 18" barrel but recoil feels less then the sa ca legal brake.

i had a cheapo 3x9x40 scope, badger rings and the sage M14DCSB scope mount for this range trip. I've decided to go back to a red dot sight( read light weight) for now until i find a economically priced 1x6 or 1x8 scope.

I really like the product and would recomend it to anybody with a m4 type sage/troy stock on their M1A/M14.

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Old November 19th, 2009, 06:37 PM   #15
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I got bored the other night and broke out the bike scale. here's what i measured.


action is a 18" SA bush with various SEI parts.

as pictured above w/ loaded 20rnd mag, open sights 12.07lbs

as above w/ #2 cheek riser and trijicon reflex sight with arms throw lever mount w/ loaded 20 rnd mag 12.96 lbs

mod 1 with sage scope mount, #2 cheek riser, badger low rings, cheapo 3x9x40 scope, loaded 20 rnd mag 14.37lbs


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