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Old May 31st, 2017, 03:02 PM   #16
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Call them up and tell them whats up. Email pictures if needed. Let us know how it goes.

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Old May 31st, 2017, 06:39 PM   #17
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From my understanding, the sides of the receiver heel are allowed some clearance, but the very back end of the heel needs to make contact with the stock.
Others can chime in but FYI, my '93 SAI NM is bedded under the wings and from the rear end of the receiver heal forward about an inch and a half. Between those two locations there is about 1/64" clearance between the walnut and receiver.

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Old May 31st, 2017, 09:58 PM   #18
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Please excuse my ignorance. Like I mentioned. I know nothing about the M1a.

When I get the rifle back I will try to clarify what he was talking about.

For those that I've offended, I should warn you that I'm very sensitive and I'll probably cry myself to sleep again tonight.

I only wish you could see the streaks of my tears running down the screen of my Ipad. I was so desperately seeking your approval.

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Old June 1st, 2017, 11:25 AM   #19
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Hi Landshark,
don't pay any attention to these guys. They are tough on all new guys. You will get use to it.

Your gunsmith is talking about the same thing Gus was in his thread and sub-forum here about the gap forward of the heel and before the angled receiver wings up front.All of those old armorer procedures have since been debunked, as pertains to being absolute must for accuracy requirements.

Mainly by me, as I believe I was the first one to bed the receiver in it's entirety. Maybe your smith just hasn't gotten the word yet.

That doesn't make him a bad gunsmith, just not an armorer. There is a difference.
Armorers specialize in military hardware, but a gunsmith will do anything.

For the original poster: You have issues that may or may not be related to the receiver and it's dimensions. It could be a stock liner issues as there is even a gap up forward under the right angled wing of the receiver.

Try to find someone near you that has another stock to try the receiver in before you have a nervous breakdown.

Come on guys. Check his location and dig out your known, good extra stock you've been hoarding and go help him out by checking the fit in it.

OP, did you buy this from Classic Arms or direct from James River Armory?....Either way, the owner of JRA, Mark Hartman, is a good guy and I haven't ever heard of him not making something right, .....so you can relax. Confidence is high.

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For the original poster: You have issues that may or may not be related to the receiver and it's dimensions. It could be a stock liner issues as there is even a gap up forward under the right angled wing of the receiver.

Try to find someone near you that has another stock to try the receiver in before you have a nervous breakdown.

Come on guys. Check his location and dig out your known, good extra stock you've been hoarding and go help him out by checking the fit in it.

OP, did you buy this from Classic Arms or direct from James River Armory?....Either way, the owner of JRA, Mark Hartman, is a good guy and I haven't ever heard of him not making something right, .....so you can relax. Confidence is high.
Thanks ripsaw, I wasn't aware of the receiver's right wing and I appreciate you pointing that out. I bought it from Classic Firearms since the M14 wasn't listed on JRA's website.

I was able to contact Jeff at Bula and I believe he mentioned something similar about it; he said that it's possible that the bottom of the heel that was machined was likely made to look larger due to the older refinished stock.

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Old June 3rd, 2017, 06:41 AM   #21
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I bought it from Classic Firearms since the M14 wasn't listed on JRA's website.
I'm really surprised something like this made it to a customer. A few people here who've purchased from Classic Firearms have had various issues with their new rifles and had them exchanged.

This has nothing to do with rifles, but I recently bought a new GE dryer and was incredulous after I noticed a glaring manufacturing defect on the inner door; there was an inch long crack in the formed metal that was painted over. There was no way you could see it unless you flipped the door around so it would open from the right instead of the left (which is the configuration the dryer was in when it was delivered). GE seemed to be good about listening to my complaint and they said they sent me another door under warranty, but it made me think about all the other parts that might have a problem that someone had to have seen and just let go anyway.

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An update: I finally got in contact with JRA and was told by Jayde that it's not a defect at all and is due to the reconditioned stock and is safe to fire.

I'm still unsure however. Is this something I should continue to follow my instincts on? I personally consider it an abnormality, which I believe would still fall under a manufacturer defect.

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Thanks for the update. Have you checked stock and receiver with a straightedge? Pix of those checks would be neat. If it's the stock, and you can't get satisfaction:


http://www.treelinem14.com/M14-M1A-U...-M14FSTWVP.htm

These clean up nice, and are a fun project. Plus there are almost always stocks in the px. But first you need to ascertain that it is the stock.

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Old June 6th, 2017, 07:11 PM   #24
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First of all Jayde, nice she may be is only there to talk on the phone and run interference for the shop guys. Judging just by those two pics and your description I think there is little doubt that the receiver is FUBAR, and just having Jayde tell you its safe to fire is a big dodge. Don't take no for an answer, you want to send it back. The shelf of the stock looks nice and flat. Saying its the stock without them seeing it is just wrong. Send it back. But first as RichD says you must be certain whats going on here. Good luck.

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Follow your gut. That's not normal. You paid good money so get what you want.

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An update: I finally got in contact with JRA and was told by Jayde that it's not a defect at all and is due to the reconditioned stock and is safe to fire.

I'm still unsure however. Is this something I should continue to follow my instincts on? I personally consider it an abnormality, which I believe would still fall under a manufacturer defect.
Sir, do yourself a favor and remove the action from the stock. Place it on a counter top or some other flat surface, it should be easy to tell if your counter top is warped or you have an issue with your receiver.

I some time ago purchased a couple two x six squares and use them to stabilize my action when doing work on them, they are flat and smooth perfect for in this instance checking your heel for any abnormalities.

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Old June 7th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #27
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As others suggested, a straight edge of some sort will tell you immediately if the receiver is messed up.

That said, in your pic# 2 it really looks like the back of the heel has a sliver of a moon effect, while the back of the stock looks very level.

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Old June 7th, 2017, 02:43 PM   #28
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I took the suggestion to use a straightedge after stripping the rifle (which I should have done so much earlier). Please excuse my extremely makeshift setup and some blurriness.

I tried to get as many pictures as I could to determine the issue, and I think it's safe to say it's a defect in the receiver.

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Old June 7th, 2017, 04:25 PM   #30
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An update: I finally got in contact with JRA and was told by Jayde that it's not a defect at all and is due to the reconditioned stock and is safe to fire.
Not looking good for Jayde.

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