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Old May 16th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #1
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I finally saw Tony Ben's Blackfeather video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-PGxmeyDYvU

This thing is pretty darn cool, or at least, it sure seems it.

I think conceivable future 'want' has been upgraded to 'need'.

Think of all the cool you can make with it!


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Old May 17th, 2017, 09:10 AM   #2
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I have the SHG and Im definitely thinking about going with the whole stock, Ive been drooling over it for months. The only downside is I dont think youre able to use the irons with the collapsible buttstock version. If I do get it ill probably roll with the MBSA adapter and throw the magpul stock on it and keep it towards a slightly traditional M1A feel. It may end up being my christmas present to myself


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Old May 17th, 2017, 11:54 AM   #3
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I have the SHG and Im definitely thinking about going with the whole stock, Ive been drooling over it for months. The only downside is I dont think youre able to use the irons with the collapsible buttstock version. If I do get it ill probably roll with the MBSA adapter and throw the magpul stock on it and keep it towards a slightly traditional M1A feel. It may end up being my christmas present to myself

That's the picture that got me thinking...

I live in CA...

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Old May 17th, 2017, 02:43 PM   #4
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How long is the stretch to reach that trigger?

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Old May 17th, 2017, 04:32 PM   #5
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-PGxmeyDYvU

This thing is pretty darn cool, or at least, it sure seems it.

I think conceivable future 'want' has been upgraded to 'need'.

Think of all the cool you can make with it!

Kudos! I didn't want to try to sell you on it if you're hesitant about messing with the barrel boss etc., but–if you're into the Blackfeather–I can pretty much promise once you shoot your M1A in that thing you won't ever look back .


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...The only downside is I dont think youre able to use the irons with the collapsible buttstock version. If I do get it ill probably roll with the MBSA adapter and throw the magpul stock on it and keep it towards a slightly traditional M1A feel...[/IMG]
Actually people CAN use the irons with a simple low-profile AR-style buffer tube buttstock (like the M14.ca RBS), BUT in my experience even a really simple buffer tube buttstock is really close to the upper limit for shooting through irons. Other people have said that even that is still too high for them.

FYI: when I bought my Blackfeather through M14EBR.US, it shipped with both the standard buttstock adaptor and the MBSA (reason provided was to maintain legality in restrictive states).


*If I keep rambling about how nice I think their gear is, maybe I should ask these Blackfeather folks for an advertising fee.


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That is what I have planned too! I like the idea of a modernized standard battle rifle. I don't know what barrel length to go with though.

I was thinking if I went black feather it might be best to go light weight so probably a 16 or 18 or maybe 19.25 I will probably go 19.25.

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Old May 18th, 2017, 10:07 AM   #7
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That is what I have planned too! I like the idea of a modernized standard battle rifle. I don't know what barrel length to go with though.

I was thinking if I went black feather it might be best to go light weight so probably a 16 or 18 or maybe 19.25 I will probably go 19.25.
Sounds like a good plan.

I've got one ordered for a 18.5" barrel setup. It has piled motivation onto the existing stack of excited to see how it turns out. It sure seems extremely well thought out. Kudos to Lazerus2000 and everybody else involved. It might seem premature, given I haven't touched one yet, but I'm betting real money on it.

Going to need to balance out patience with free time slots... Going to be watching and rewatching a lot of TonyBen videos.

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Old May 21st, 2017, 09:25 AM   #8
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Honestly,
the credit for the Blackfeather is shared amongst a team of FOUR really great guys.

I provided most of the original concepts, and kept things real. My experience as a former Infantry Officer, three gun competitor, and Gunsmith, proved invaluable during the extensive two and a half year research and development phase of the project. None of the other team members knew much [ or anything at all ] about firearms, so I was constantly explaining things like ,
"NO, you can NOT mount the butt stock adaptor to the scope mount".
(;-[)

TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST, my main design objectives were to port over as many of the EXCELLENT ERGONOMICS found on the AR 10, on to the M14 platform. The B/F stock is much inspired by Stoner's AR 10 ... which is STILL, in many ways, and for many reasons, my favorite "Battle" rifle.

Chris, the multi talented owner of Foreman CNC, took on the project because it was "interesting". Chris is a very experienced machinest, and a CNC wizard, and his input on real world "seat of the pants" structural engineering, helped shape the BF chassis system into the lean and still strong structure it eventually became ... after I think 12 actual functioning prototypes.

"Shave a little off here, beef it up a little there"
aka
"Maximum strength and durability, with minimum weight and bulk"

Dave, a talented apprentice machinest, turned out to be great at translating my VERY rough "napkin drawings" into computer compatible graphics, which ported over to the CNC mill for rapid prototyping. And Dave showed a remarkable talent for turning boring old metal thingies into beautiful works of ART. His input on shaping the B/F helped make it "Purty".

And of course, FRANK, the owner of M14.CA provided another type of REALITY to the project. Frank kept us going, while large amounts of $$$ were flowing out, with little actual MARKETABLE PRODUCT to show for it. Frank had the dream, and he created the team that made the dream into a reality. The investment in $$$ and time was CONSIDERABLE, and without Frank's financial and marketing expertise, there would have been no actual Blackfeather Chassis system ... just some rough drawings and wild ideas I had left over from my previous career as a gunsmith. Both Frank and I have previous experience with Computer SYSTEMS, and we agreed that the BF chassis SYSTEM would incorporate manyComputer SYSTEM principles ...
eg: versatility, scalability, modularity, multi function, and SIMPLICITY.

I am back on Vancouver Island again, and Frank and I are in discussion for MANY new M14 products. eg: with the unexpected popularity of the Canadian/Chinese 7.62X39 version of the M14, there seems to be a demand for Blackfeather parts to fit this weird variant. I personally find the concept of a 12 lb underpowered rifle ludicrous, but I seem to be in the minority. And I still do not have a properly designed SIDE FOLDING STOCK, to complete my idea of what the Blackfeather Chassis SYSTEM should be.

So keep tuned to M14.CA for more new things.
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Kudos! I didn't want to try to sell you on it if you're hesitant about messi










Actually people CAN use the irons with a simple low-profile AR-style buffer tube buttstock (like the M14.ca RBS), BUT in my experience even a really simple buffer tube buttstock is really close to the upper limit for shooting through irons. Other people have said that even that is still too high for them.

Depending on your facial structure, the simple buffer tube stock on the LOW buttstock adaptor, may or may NOT work for you with the iron sights. When we designed the LOW buttstock adaptor, we found moving the connection point up or down as little as 1/4" made a sjgnificant difference on who liked the fit. We compromised on what worked for most iof the test crew ( skinny faced young guys) and me.

When we designed the HIGH buttstick adaptir, it was matched to the AR 10/15 measurement between sight plane and buffer tube. It integrates perfectly with the CASM scope mount AND the full length LONG SIGHT PLANE combination hand guard/ optics mount. AR 15 height REMOVABLE BUIS also work well here.

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Old May 22nd, 2017, 10:07 AM   #10
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Looks really cool. Is there any reason why the front lower picatinny rail was milled into the forend rather than leave it off to save forward weight and annoyance for any who don't want a rail there? Was there a problem to solve? Is there an advantage to having that portion permanent/milled in rather than just leave milled openings for the MLOK or whatever rail attachment section options you run?

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Old May 22nd, 2017, 12:25 PM   #11
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Depending on your facial structure, the simple buffer tube stock on the LOW buttstock adaptor, may or may NOT work for you with the iron sights. When we designed the LOW buttstock adaptor, we found moving the connection point up or down as little as 1/4" made a sjgnificant difference on who liked the fit. We compromised on what worked for most iof the test crew ( skinny faced young guys) and me.
One of the things I liked about the ability to accept the Magpull SGA stock, is the ability to interchange different height cheek risers that are solidly attached.

I will guess that when the time comes to shop for one, it may be that I want to go slightly higher, and then dremel down to fit my face, but that'll be late in the process. I'm still waiting to receive the knurling tool...

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Depending on your facial structure, the simple buffer tube stock on the LOW buttstock adaptor, may or may NOT work for you with the iron sights...
True. You and I are actually saying the same thing, but you phrased it far more accurately for an objective statement. :)
I think what my post should've said was "Actually people–specifically I–CAN (i.e. can = it is technically possible, though not ideal) use the irons..."
But like I said, your version was much more clearly stated from the start, and acknowledges limitations ...as I would expect from a responsible developer. Thanks!

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