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Old March 14th, 2017, 08:11 AM   #1
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New Troy Rock Sopmod Production Feeler thread!

Hello forum I have been thinking of getting with Wolfe and Bula on producing some Troy Rock Sopmod M14's to be sold and possible full scale production depending on how well they sell. My desire is to create these Sopmod M14's using -

Bula "XM21DMR" receiver

Bula "Bolt"

Bula "Trigger Group"

Shooting Sight "Adjustable NM Trigger"

Wolfe "12 Inch" or "16 Inch" Barrel. Preferably 5R.

SEI "Vortex Flash Eliminator"

SEI "Bolt Release"

Magpul "Pistol Grip"

Magpul "Vertical Grip"

Checkmate "20 Round Magazine"

Detachable BUIS "Undecided"

Sling "Undecided"

Plano "Gun Guard 36inch Tactical Case" (just as good as a pelican at half the price)

The color of the Rifle will be "Black" as a default color. Other Color options may be an option.


Changes to the chassis will be made as well, such as the original material used to make the Troy Chassis. It is much more expensive to use magnesium than it is to use aluminum with barely any difference in weight so the decision on aluminum is much more favorable over the originally used magnesium. Also the height and design of the picatinny rail on the handguard on top will be changed to match and meet flush with the Bula XM21DMR receivers Picatinny rail in height and design. All of the picatinny rail on the sides and bottom will be able to be removed or put on in any order, they will not be permanent.

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My personal goals are to streamline production by having the barreled receiver built with the sopmod in mind, so the outdated and costly M14 "conversions" of the past will not be needed, which will save money. Using an aluminum chassis instead of magnesium, which will save money. Modernizing the design by using the Bula XM21 DMR receiver, changing the chassis to seamlessly accommodate that receiver, using a bolt release as default, as well as an Adjustable trigger. All in all that will get the design up to date, easier to produce, and overall cheaper for everyone.

Previously the customer had to send in their $1500-$2500 dollar rifle depending on if you had a M1A Socom or an LRB. And then the conversion itself cost $2500. So it cost anywhere from $4000-$6000 dollars total for a customer to have a Sopmod. I am trying to shoot for $3000 or less for a rifle shipped.

I also have a Mk2 design in my head using the patented gas system length reduction of the Troy Rock Sopmod to allow the use of a 12 inch barrel, in a bull-pup configured troy chassis. This will take time to design but depending on how well things go it could be a reality and another dream come true for me.

Let me know what you guys think. Would you buy an up to date Sopmod? Or want to? This is also a feeler thread btw. Some honest feedback would be appreciated. Thanks everyone. Shrub out.


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Old March 14th, 2017, 10:27 AM   #2
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It's a great idea
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The cost of the Troy sop mod prevented me from getting one and I wanted one bad
Not many people , myself included have the fundages laying around for this sizable investment , unless you are going after a gov or Leo contract
Myself , l would be more interested and financially prepared in a bare chassis similar to the Sage to drop a barreled receiver into that I pieced together
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Well an EBR is going to cost $1200-$2500 plus $700 for the chassis so you are looking at $1900-$3200 for an EBR. So the prices are not too bad.

It cannot be dropped in sadly. The barrel and oprod have to be modified for the chassis to work. That is how the Sopmod is able to accommodate 12inch barrels and have reduced recoil properties. Something that the sage doesn't have or cannot do.

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You may be on to something, if fills a niche. There isn't anything like it on the market.

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I'm presently putting a SOPMOD together. From my observations, it occurs to me that if you put one together with a 16" barrel, (as mine has), the OAL is going to be comparable to that of a 16" EBR, which means that, although the weight of the SOPMOD might be less, and the balance less front heavy, offsetting the gas cylinder to the side serves no useful purpose, unless you plan to suppress it or go with a shorter barrel, which means that it will be best suited for a NFA weapon, which I think might limit interest somewhat. from the looks of mine, I'd say that a railed receiver like an M25 or XM21, would likely be a better optic mounting method than the original config.

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I'm presently putting a SOPMOD together. From my observations, it occurs to me that if you put one together with a 16" barrel, (as mine has), the OAL is going to be comparable to that of a 16" EBR, which means that, although the weight of the SOPMOD might be less, and the balance less front heavy, offsetting the gas cylinder to the side serves no useful purpose, unless you plan to suppress it or go with a shorter barrel, which means that it will be best suited for a NFA weapon, which I think might limit interest somewhat. from the looks of mine, I'd say that a railed receiver like an M25 or XM21, would likely be a better optic mounting method than the original config.
Exactly. With a 16in barrel the Sopmod has the same overall length as an EBR. However it does have less recoil due to the offset gas cylinder and it is a little lighter. A 16 inch barrel is a good option for someone that doesn't want an EBR but still something modern. The Sopmod was originally designed with barrels shorter than 16 in mind such as a 12 inch for a suppressor. That is honestly the whole point of modifying the gas system. My Sopmod is a 16 as well and I wish it was a 12 but I am going to keep it original. However I have a incomplete chassis that will for sure have a 12 inch M14 in it. I agree on the railed receiver. I think it is superior than pretty much any mounting option for the M14. Bula did a fine job with that.

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I have never fired one of these. As someone that has one, can you tell me why the offset (and moved further back) gas cylinder reduces recoil? I've been considering going with an adjustable gas plug, but based on your post it sounds as though it shouldn't be necessary.
My "kit" is incomplete. The handguard drawing I have from RD systems indicates that they are made from CF, but I've been told that some had aluminum handguards. Any chance you could share a couple pictures of the handguard area of yours as a reference to help me in my effort to fabricate one.

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So, with the offset gas system and the 16 inch barrel in this configuration what is the weight? I have zero knowledge of these rifles, are they as reliable as a regular m14? Is it easy to clean and maintain? A light short m14 appeals to me for an everyday truck/farm/hunting/protection rifle. 3k isn't that bad for what you have listed. I also agree with the railed receiver. I also agree that 16 inch versions will sell more than 12 inch models a lot of people don't want the headache of going through all the red tape of getting one. Unless you put a pinned devise of some kind on the 12 inch barrels.

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Based on mine, it looks like removing the gas plug to clean the piston should be no different than a standard rifle, but removing the barreled action from the stock will require the removal of 3 screws holding the op rod guide ring in place, and two screws holding the receiver lug in place besides the normal removal of the trigger assembly, in order to remove the barreled action from the chassis. Don't the EBR's have their op rod guides bolted to the chassis as well?

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3000 is a good price, and won't make it a niche weapon IF it can shoot. The rifle needs to be sub moa to make it worth the money. Yes, even .9 would do. GAP can't make enough of their GAP 10s same for any other highdollar AR10. If you make a 16" sub MOA sop mod for 3000 there will be people knocking your down for it! If it's 1 moa or more, meh.

Don't make it a SBR, that would be a niche weapon.

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I have never fired one of these. As someone that has one, can you tell me why the offset (and moved further back) gas cylinder reduces recoil?
It has something to do with location in line with the shoulder or something. I don't remember. I will have to contact Lou over at LRB and ask him. But it was one of the selling points. After firing mine the felt recoil seems less than a standard M1A. It is very manageable. And that was without a vertical grip when I fired mine.

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So, with the offset gas system and the 16 inch barrel in this configuration what is the weight? I have zero knowledge of these rifles, are they as reliable as a regular m14? Is it easy to clean and maintain? A light short m14 appeals to me for an everyday truck/farm/hunting/protection rifle. 3k isn't that bad for what you have listed. I also agree with the railed receiver. I also agree that 16 inch versions will sell more than 12 inch models a lot of people don't want the headache of going through all the red tape of getting one. Unless you put a pinned devise of some kind on the 12 inch barrels.
I will check on the weight of mine when I get home tomorrow and let ya know. The reliability of these rifles are no different than any other M14. The ability to clean is no more difficult than a sage ebr.

Another thing I would like to know is, would people be interested in 18 inch and full length barrels. Personally I think it would look weird.

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No longer than 18 or it's going to look cheesy. If you can get the accuracy you need from a 16 then why make it any longer than it needs to be?

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good luck, im having trouble selling my socom in a sage ebr stock for 2000. so getting people to put up $3000-4000 for the troy.


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a regular SOCOM? they can be had for a lot less than 2K

I like the idea of this group buy but I don't think there will be enough interest to make it happen. It's a chunk of change.

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