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Old March 14th, 2017, 12:43 PM   #16
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Oh took your advice by the way and just used a good Danish oil, no stains or anything, came out amazing, so thank you.
Not to get off topic but did I miss the pics of your stock once it was finished?

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Got a local shop that's going to help me get the right setup tonight hopefully. Long eye relief scopes pose a challenge as do red dots since eye damage is a factor. Maybe they will be able to configure something to work out properly.

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Not to get off topic but did I miss the pics of your stock once it was finished?
Yeah I posted them in the Jenny Lee project thread I started. I'll be finishing the build this weekend and be posting the final pictures of the setup with any luck.

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Old March 14th, 2017, 01:31 PM   #19
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You won't be able to effectively use anything mentioned above forward of the receiver because of the 2-3.8" or so eye relief. Vortex makes red dots but all only have 1X magnification. However Vortex and other manufacturer's red dots/reflex sights you can mount forward of the receiver, but you do lose the ability to effectively engage a 300M target.

However, you could look at the red dots/reflex sights as there is room to fudge on the eye relief or you have the option of some variable magnification of some Scout Scopes. I've mounted Scout Scopes on other weapon platforms with excellent results.

What you did mention is this "A little precision a little cqb...." was your intended use. If you buy the receiver scope mount, everything mentioned below are wonderful scopes. I have Vortex Viper PST with MRAD reticles, but all my M1A are mounted as in NF1E's picture. Mine are not really CQB, except one I have a M68 CCO mounted on a receiver mount that I would think about using from 0-100M. To be honest, here at my farm if I'm going outside to the barn to feed the horses day or night, or the radio shack, or on the tractor I carry an AKM with no optics. If I'm going out to shoot ground hogs at distance, I'm carrying an M1A with a 4x16x50 Viper PST FFP, 6x24x50 FFP, or a another maker's 3-30x56 SFP 35mm tube.

Two good options for what you want to do could be a red dots/reflex sights or a Scout Scope. The Scout Scope you must mount forward of the receiver and you save the cost of a Sadlak receiver scope mount. The red dots/reflex sights you could mount forward of the receiver, however longer range engagements at 100-300M compromise actually hitting the target because you lose field of view by mounting it farther from your eye.

The red dots/reflex sights are most effective mounted over the receiver for 0-100M engagements, however in the Army we shoot M4 qualification with them (M68 CCO/Aimpoint) to 300M on the M4 and I taught a M110 SASS (7.62x51mm with Leupold scope) course to engage targets out to 500M. The Scout Scopes are generally the same magnifications engagement range you mentioned, however they are also not used for the same type engagements as the red dots/reflex sights. The red dots/reflex sights were designed for very quick target acquisition and identification then squeeze the trigger. Scout Scopes are designed for taking more time to aim at a target using the scope reticle.

It really comes down to what you believe you will engage most with your weapon, and what optic will meet that objective. I sounds like you want a variable magnification scope and receiver scope mount to shoot from 0-300M with accuracy in mind and not a red dot/reflex optic that probably won't meet your objectives. Vortex or Leupold are both great choices.


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Old March 14th, 2017, 01:45 PM   #20
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leupold has the mk4 cqt. its a dot and circle reticle but doesn't need a battery and is 1-3 power...

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Agreed on the comments about mounting forward of the receiver. My recommendation would not be effective.

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Problem solved! I thought I had wasted money with the sage stripper clip mount, but I was determined to make this idea work and with the help of a local shop we came up with a solution using 2 sets of Weaver rings at different heights (high-rear / low-front) and the vortex 1-6 illuminated. Eye relief is perfect. Only modifications were having to remove the rear sight apature. Thanks everybody for the input.
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I use a set of those same rings in medium on my M1A. They have been good so far. Glad you solved you problem. Are those 1 inch or 30mm. If they are 30s you could sell them for aimpoint mounts.

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I use a set of those same rings in medium on my M1A. They have been good so far. Glad you solved you problem. Are those 1 inch or 30mm. If they are 30s you could sell them for aimpoint mounts.
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They will fit an aimpoint pro most want the lowest possible but those you have will lower it more than the standard mount. The mediums will anyway. This is the only use I know of for one ring. You can see how high the aimpoint mount sits.
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Old March 14th, 2017, 06:04 PM   #27
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That is high. Well I'll throw them up on the px

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Appears solid.

After you shoot 50 or so rounds, give us a picture of the scope to see if it gets ripped by brass ejection or scope movement in the mounts. Hopefully, neither are an issue.


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Appears solid.

After you shoot 50 or so rounds, give us a picture of the scope to see if it gets ripped by brass ejection or scope movement in the mounts. Hopefully, neither are an issue.


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I had the same thought myself, seems high enough. I've read some reports that with the Schuster gas system I might be able to tune Jenny so she runs well enough to eject the brass on a light arc. Dunno if it's true or bs, but I guess time will tell.

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