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Old January 11th, 2017, 01:33 PM   #16
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I used to shoot there in the early to mid '80s. Mostly in the action pistol pit but often on the tin-can range. I don't know that those 2 ranges are still there but I sure had a lot of fun at Los Altos R&G way back when.

Also at Chabot, Sunnyvale and Metcalf. There are plenty of places to shoot around Silicon Valley. The 500 yard military style range (pits) at Chabot was fun!
Understood about range rules and it's their range so their rules - I think people just wanted to see somethin' concrete - a website or reasoning.

Los Altos = tin can range - yes, it's still there. Fun times. One of the only places you can take your 12GA and test out 00-buck. Haven't seen the 'action pistol pit', but they have varying distances for pistol, which is good.

Chabot = closed (late last year), unfortunately. Never went there. Didn't know they had a 500 yard setup. People were sad.

Sunnyvale = closest one to me - prefer it for rifle shooting since it has steel plate at 100, and a separate area for rimfire. It's become real crowded though, of late, and not as good for pistol shooting.

Metcalf = haven't tried that one, but heard good things.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 01:35 PM   #17
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I have read about focusing on the front sight which will mean the rear is blurry.
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There's a lot of 'wording confusion and disagreement' about how the front post should be viewed.
I prefer to NOT SAY 'focus on the post' because to me that would be similar to reading a large print book at arm's length.

My description is be sure you can clearly see the top edge of the post and have a reasonable view of the target. And your mental concentration should be on getting the top edge of the post aligned with the target in a consistent position, with the top edge of the post being in the central area of the aperture.

Yes, the rear aperture will just be a 'fuzzy donut hole' that you look thru. As long as the front post is not obviously crowding an edge of the aperture it will be fine. If you TRY to get the top of the post exactly in the center of the aperture, then you're adding an additional complication.
If you don't notice the post being near the edge of the aperture, just continue concentration on the top edge of the post and it's alignment with the target. If the post really is in a poor position relative to the aperture, you'll notice it w/o needing to look for it!

You may see/read/hear various contrary info about needing 'precise alignment' of the post in the exact center of the aperture.
Well that's true if your eye had only a very small area could see thru the sights. But the eye has plenty of area, and it will use the area that sort of 'automatically' sees thru the center of the bright round aperture

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Welcome to the forum, from Silicon Valley. Sorry to hear about your issues with the range. We, in CA, are all interested in which range this is... Is there a website with the rules posted? Maybe there's a misinterpretation? Maybe it's one of the range masters' personal rules vs. range rules?

There was one guy at Los Altos R&G that forgot to attach his carry handle on his AR with the rear sight on it. For some reason he decided to shoot anyway at the 50 yard range. The range master merely told him "hey you are hittin' dirt - dangerous to be firing that thing with no rear sight - gonna have to ask you to stop unless you can find someone to lend you a rear sight". He didn't banish him. I happened to have a red-dot I wasn't using so he mounted that and proceeded to continue shooting.

Point is, as others have said, new shooters should be welcomed and taught, and I think in most cases, even in CA ranges, they are. If the range masters can't take the time, that's ok - they have to watch and be responsible for everyone, but usually there's someone with sufficient experience who'd be interested in helping. In teaching, we also learn things too. Out here in CA, whenever I take my M14's to the range, people are often lookin' over. You might find a line of people willing to help you figure it out, simply because they've never shot one.
Since I heard it second hand I don't want to post the name of the place without getting confirmation. The facility has four 100 yard indoor ranges along with others at 25. I haven't been there yet (no reason since I have a pistol range within a mile of my house). I have been on their website and the only restrictions I see is ammo which has to be under 50 BMG. They do say they have staff to help sight a new scope.

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Since I heard it second hand I don't want to post the name of the place without getting confirmation. The facility has four 100 yard indoor ranges along with others at 25. I haven't been there yet (no reason since I have a pistol range within a mile of my house). I have been on their website and the only restrictions I see is ammo which has to be under 50 BMG. They do say they have staff to help sight a new scope.
A 100 yard indoor range may very well have a skill prerequisite. They need to make sure you aren't bouncing high powered rounds off the floor or ceiling.

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I used to go to an indoor rifle range that would charge you if your bullets didn't hit the backstop first or you hit the steel frame the targets were hung from. They would hand you the steel frame at the counter and you had to bring it back for inspection to get your ID back. I can't remember the exact charge, but it was high enough to keep me from ever doing it.

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Los Altos = tin can range - yes, it's still there. Fun times. One of the only places you can take your 12GA and test out 00-buck. Haven't seen the 'action pistol pit', but they have varying distances for pistol, which is good.
The action pistol pit was cut in from the road on the way down the hill from the office. Over on the right hand side and before any of the regular range stations.

There was a berm that separated it from the rifle range. The action pistol pit did not follow the cease fire of the main range and that sometimes caused an issue with bullet jackets flying off the steel plates and tagging someone on the rifle range.

It was probably less than 25 yards wide and about 25 yards deep (fading memory).

There was a metal storage shack as I recall.

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