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Old January 1st, 2017, 03:09 PM   #1
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Bore cleaning help

I am ready to do the first good cleaning of my new Scout Squad.
I have the correct rod,brushes,and solvent but can not locate a Scout specific bore guide. Will the guide made for a standard model with a flash hider work or does the Scout with the factory muzzle brake need something special? This is my first rifle of this type and first post on the site.Thanks in advance for any help.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 04:58 PM   #2
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I am ready to do the first good cleaning of my new Scout Squad.
I have the correct rod,brushes,and solvent but can not locate a Scout specific bore guide. Will the guide made for a standard model with a flash hider work or does the Scout with the factory muzzle brake need something special? This is my first rifle of this type and first post on the site.Thanks in advance for any help.
Am not sure but I think the flashhider one and muzzel brake one's are different...

I remember having to buy a new one

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:14 AM   #3
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I have a SAI scout with brake. The muzzle brake and the flash suppressor are different OD's. I don't know if someone makes one just for that but I bought another guide and just turned the old guide to fit over the brake. Also pay attention to the cleaning rod. If you bought a service rifle rod, when you lock the bolt open the first time you push the cleaning rod down the bore you will hit the bolt face and trip the bolt hold open and ruin a good brush or jag. Go to your local hardware store and buy a piece of plastic tubing, water line oct that will fit over your cleaning rod and carefully insert it into the bore, measure how long a piece of tubing you need to put over your rod to keep from tripping the bolt catch.

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I have a SAI scout with brake. The muzzle brake and the flash suppressor are different OD's. I don't know if someone makes one just for that but I bought another guide and just turned the old guide to fit over the brake. Also pay attention to the cleaning rod. If you bought a service rifle rod, when you lock the bolt open the first time you push the cleaning rod down the bore you will hit the bolt face and trip the bolt hold open and ruin a good brush or jag. Go to your local hardware store and buy a piece of plastic tubing, water line oct that will fit over your cleaning rod and carefully insert it into the bore, measure how long a piece of tubing you need to put over your rod to keep from tripping the bolt catch.
Brownells sells the M1a buddy, I've never used mine because I don't clean with my Dewey rod. The M1a buddy holds the bolt face open and also catches some of the solvents and the patch.

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:35 AM   #5
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Am I the only one that uses a bore snake to clean my M1A ? I love it and leaves the inside with a mirror finish every time. No time wasted with a rod and attachments.

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 08:39 AM   #6
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I am ready to do the first good cleaning of my new Scout Squad.
I have the correct rod,brushes,and solvent but can not locate a Scout specific bore guide. Will the guide made for a standard model with a flash hider work or does the Scout with the factory muzzle brake need something special? This is my first rifle of this type and first post on the site.Thanks in advance for any help.
It is best to clean a rifle bore from the breach to the muzzle and the Otis system is the best way to accomplish that with an auto loader. YMMV

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 08:45 AM   #7
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Chapter 5 of the M14 manual covers maintenance: https://archive.org/stream/FM23-81968#page/n29/mode/2up

The traditional method is to insert a bare rod down the bore and attach the brush or patch in the breech. You then pull the crap out the muzzle, instead of shoving it into the chamber and receiver.

The current USGI version of this is the OTIS kit. The Boresnake does the same function in a jiffy. Put a little CLP or Hoppes on the brush and pull it thru.

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I use a plastic coated cable.

Cable is always inserted through the chamber and out the muzzle.

Screw on the attachment needed, pull straight out the muzzle.

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 09:19 AM   #9
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What Capona, ConRich, Kurt, and Wiz said. And probably better cleaning breach TO muzzle keeping solvent from migrating into the stock, especially if it's bedded. I believe FM 23-8 was revised to state clean breach to muzzle. I use an Otis Kit in the field and more and more at home. Also have the M1/M1A Buddy (may not work too tough w/scope rails), and Possum Hollow solvent port with replaceable gasket. These really work. And with these you won't have the possibility of tripping the bolt the bolt stop mashing your fingers between bolt and chamber which makes licking your toe on a hard object on a cold morning feel like kid stuff. Though a lot of guys who know more than me swear by bore snakes I don't like cleaning them... never felt they were as thorough. I got the Otis cage coded kit: NSN: 005-01-526-7354 (Otis# MFG-85211-5) which covers 7.62x51/.308; 5.56; 9mm, .40-45; 12Ga. Shotgun. and includes coated pull-through cables one of which is 30". If you check e-bay you can get them new for $38-$40 (be careful if you do as some hawk these near $100). If you haven't already, watch Tony's cleaning videos.. all of them really. The best. And by the way. Possum Hollow is GOOD people. They fabricated me a special chamber/bore port for my Mosins and only charged me $15. bucks. Had it in like 2 wks.

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For my standard M1A and M14's, Ive always used an expended and de-primed 12ga shotgun shell as a boreguide and cleaned from the muzzle with a dewey rod.

The brake on the Scout is the same diameter as a Standard flashider, right? If so, it will work for you too.

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The 12ga shotshell with primer drilled out works on my Scout Squad but I still PULL the patch from the breech to the muzzle. Finally got an Otis kit and like it alot, think it cleans better than a standard patch as it puts pressure all around the bore instead of just two sides-maybe just perception and not fact. Boresnake at the range when she is still warm with serious cleaning at home(tried it in the living room and caught heck for that). No sense of humor!

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Am I the only one that uses a bore snake to clean my M1A ? I love it and leaves the inside with a mirror finish every time. No time wasted with a rod and attachments.
For me, a bore snake would be for a quick clean at the range in between groups if so inclined.
At home after the range, it's Otis for me.

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 09:58 AM   #13
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I use a bore snake on all my firearms it doesn't really do the best job in the grooves but it really cuts down on the number of passes made with the Otis or rod. One pass with the snake or ripcord and all the powder residue and bulk of dirt/fouling is gone. Don't be afraid to wash the snakes in the washing machine, put them in some of your wife's old panthose so they don't get all tangled up.

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watch Tony Bens cleaning movie, posted in the M14 Movie # 3. It will Help

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I use a bore snake on all my firearms it doesn't really do the best job in the grooves but it really cuts down on the number of passes made with the Otis or rod. One pass with the snake or ripcord and all the powder residue and bulk of dirt/fouling is gone. Don't be afraid to wash the snakes in the washing machine, put them in some of your wife's old panthose so they don't get all tangled up.
My wife wears pantyhose? LOL.
Bore Snake for me especially at the range. At home I use the bore guide on the FS and carefully run a small rod with a snug patch to just wet the bore with Hoppes and let sit and then pull the Snake thru every day until its all gone.


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