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Old December 30th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #1
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Recent purchase of JRA experience

Its not my intent to make a big issue of this but want to share a few things with the members especially those who may be thinking of purchasing a new Rock Ola M14. I just did, it arrived yesterday. As you may know Classic Arms is the distributor of these both in rifle and carbine length. The description stated new receiver, new Criterion barrel and mix of GI or new parts depending on availability, paraphrasing here. My rifle as delivered consisted of all GI parts but for the new receiver. Barrel should have been new but was a 1964 vintage TRW in apparent excellent condition. Now this might send some into orbit as a TRW barrel is reportedly a good one to have. I looked the rifle over and was pleased with its overall quality but for a couple of things. The stock got dinged by the magazine that was loose inside the new plastic hard case, annoying but not a big deal and carelessness by Classic. Stock was otherwise nice walnut. Flash suppressor was a little loose. Op rod had a lot of rattle to it in comparison to my other rifles but didn't appear to be a big deal either. So I got in contact with Jeff42899 here on the forum and laid this out to him for advice and help. He responded as best he could considering his position and helped as much as possible. I also contacted JRA and Classic Arms by email. JRA got right back to me, Classic took a phone call to get contact. To make a long story shorter, JRA is going to put a new barrel on the rifle since that is what I paid for and what was advertised, and Classic is going to reimburse me for the shipping cost to send it to JRA since JRA would not. Classic also told me when discussing the possibility of swapping my rifle for one with a new barrel that in fact they didn't have any, and that remaining supplies of 22 inch bbl rifles were likely used GI. They did have new barrels on the carbine model. So that is why I opted for a re barrel. I did like the rifle a lot. Matt at Classic told me they were going to update the description and now they have. It says now that barrels are new mil-spec, and no mention of Criterion. This is still slightly inaccurate in my view as the surplus barrels are probably not NEW but used in excellent condition which is how my TRW barrel was described to me by JRA. I paid for and expected a new Criterion barrel and should have one soon. So I would advise prospective buyers to ask Classic exactly what they are going to get in the way of a barrel IF it matters to them. It might not matter. Some may in fact prefer a GI barrel. I would have no problem with a GI barrel if that had been stated up front, it wasn't. So just a heads up for the members to ask before you buy. I want to thank Jeff42899 again for his assistance in getting this done in a helpful and friendly way. Thanks for reading. The wait begins anew...

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Old December 30th, 2016, 07:31 PM   #2
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Glad to hear JRA and Classic are going to make it right for you. People need to be aware to be careful when dealing with Classic when buying any firearm from them. I had a problem with them purchasing an AK 6 years ago not being what they described it as on their web site. For mags and parts they're GTG, just be careful with gun purchases. Enjoy that new baby when you get her. Happy New Year.

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Old December 30th, 2016, 08:21 PM   #3
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Don't take this the wrong way..... Many would have been happier than a pig in you know what with a TRW barrel.. You could have dismounted the TRW, sold it and got a barrel from almost any maker you wanted and had a little jingle in your pocket...

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Old December 30th, 2016, 08:43 PM   #4
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As I said I know many would love the used TRW over a new anything, I get that. I would have been tickled too if I expected a GI barrel, but I didn't. Main point is we should get what we order.

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As I said I know many would love the used TRW over a new anything, I get that. I would have been tickled too if I expected a GI barrel, but I didn't. Main point is we should get what we order.
I would much rather have new parts than worn USGI parts. It would have been interesting to know what the TE was on the TRW barrel. I wouldn't accept it on a new rifle unless it was less than 1. Same goes for oprods. A new commercial one that is snug beats a TRW that rattles. I'm glad they are going to deliver what you asked for. Keep us posted.

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Old December 30th, 2016, 09:10 PM   #6
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I would much rather have new parts than worn USGI parts. It would have been interesting to know what the TE was on the TRW barrel. I wouldn't accept it on a new rifle unless it was less than 1. Same goes for oprods. A new commercial one that is snug beats a TRW that rattles. I'm glad they are going to deliver what you asked for. Keep us posted.
My guess is the TE was minimal. I say that only based on what I was told and my observation with a bright light from the muzzle and a dental mirror that allows me to see into the chamber. It looked new.

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Great to hear that you are getting things worked out.
Phil nailed it. There are very few M-14 shooters that would prefer a new Criterion barrel over a good TRW, but the customer is always right.
Hope you enjoy your new toy.

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Sorry you have to wait again. But it is good that the company is going to fix the problem.

Waiting is agonizing but will be worth it I am sure.

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Old December 31st, 2016, 10:07 AM   #9
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Great to hear that you are getting things worked out.
Phil nailed it. There are very few M-14 shooters that would prefer a new Criterion barrel over a good TRW, but the customer is always right.
Hope you enjoy your new toy.

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Old December 31st, 2016, 10:17 AM   #10
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Fwiw, I had a similar experience, but directly with JRA. I ordered a barreled-receiver last spring. It was listed as a Bula barrel on a Rock-ola receiver. After three months, it finally arrived as an unmarked barrel mounted on a Rock-ola receiver. I was later informed by a reliable source that the unmarked barrel was definitely not a Bula and that it had probably been manufactured by Citadel. While I don't know that there is a qualitative difference, it's also not what they led me to believe I was purchasing. I've tried to contact JRA twice about this discrepancy and they have not responded.

In contrast, Jeff at Bula has been helpful and responsive.

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Hi,
Sounds like stand up people all around!

Be advised, this COULD of been, a can of worms, with the wrong people!!!

Don't ask me how I know this!!!

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Annoying to think someone spent all that time assembling rifles, but Classic Arms can't spend 10 minutes to insure an accurate description is published.

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Annoying to think someone spent all that time assembling rifles, but Classic Arms can't spend 10 minutes to insure an accurate description is published.
Yes Hammy, I think you hit the nail on the head, as I believe the fault is squarely with Classic Arms description and not JRA.

Just my two cents.

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Annoying to think someone spent all that time assembling rifles, but Classic Arms can't spend 10 minutes to insure an accurate description is published.
I believe you're assuming that JRA did not misinform Classic about the composition of the rifles. The error may have started with JRA and Classic merely repeated it. Classic may not have the time to examine the constituent parts of each firearm it resells and they may depend on the wholesaler/manufacturer to provide an accurate description.

JRA certainly goofed up the description of my barreled-receiver.

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Agreed it could have been either.

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