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Old January 1st, 2017, 10:15 AM   #16
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I understand your feeling about this.
But if the TRW barrel was perfect and it had a lot of GI parts I'd be making that rifle a keeper.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 10:24 AM   #17
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I understand your feeling about this.
But if the TRW barrel was perfect and it had a lot of GI parts I'd be making that rifle a keeper.

I don't know that it was perfect, JRA said it was excellent which means used. A rifle sold as having a new barrel should have a new barrel.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 10:44 AM   #18
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Seems to me any barrel that has been test fired is used, even if it was new when installed on the rifle. Same with all the parts on the rifle, once installed they are all used parts.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 11:02 AM   #19
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Well by that measure there is no such thing as a new barrel then. When you buy a new Rem 700 you expect it has a new barrel even though you know it was test fired. Its still considered a new barrel. A 52 year old TRW barrel that while it may look nice and is referenced as in excellent condition is not the same thing is it? To reiterate my main point, a rifle being sold as having a NEW barrel should have one. If you buy a new Ford you don't expect to see 500 miles on it do you? No. A few miles are always there, so called delivery miles. But if it had 500 on it you would say WTH, that ain't new, and would not want to pay the NEW price for it. At least I don't think you would.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 11:42 AM   #20
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If the barrel guages as new or excellent I would be more than happy with it.
I understand your point no doubt. It is your rifle and the seller will work to please you.
Hopefully you will end up with the Criterion barrel you thought you bought.

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I would much rather have new parts than worn USGI parts. It would have been interesting to know what the TE was on the TRW barrel. I wouldn't accept it on a new rifle unless it was less than 1. Same goes for oprods. A new commercial one that is snug beats a TRW that rattles. I'm glad they are going to deliver what you asked for. Keep us posted.

Kurt, you keep saying how you would rather have new parts than worn USGI parts. I couldn't agree more unless you mean to say all USGI parts are worn out parts as that is simply not the case. Also not all new parts are the equal of even used but not worn out USGI parts.

My new Wolfe built rifle with an old TRW barrel made in 1964 placed this group at a hundred yards, I dare say... not bad.



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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:00 PM   #22
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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:22 PM   #23
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I get it, whether used or new. USGI or commercial you should get what you paid for. If the ad stated a particular part you have a reasonable expectation of receiving said part.

Its doesn't matter whether the part received is better or not, it's not what was promised and therein lies the rub.

When you do get what you want I trust you will report back and tell us how well she shoots.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:40 PM   #24
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Kurt, you keep saying how you would rather have new parts than worn USGI parts. I couldn't agree more unless you mean to say all USGI parts are worn out parts as that is simply not the case. Also not all new parts are the equal of even used but not worn out USGI parts.

My new Wolfe built rifle with an old TRW barrel made in 1964 placed this group at a hundred yards, I dare say... not bad.



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Ren, your "old" parts are considered new by my definition.

I am referring to the used USGI parts that folks are paying top dollar for. At the turn of century, SAI would use new commercial oprods and trigger housings on their Match rifles, even while they still were using reconditioned USGI parts on the Standard rifles. This was because the new parts fit better than the worn USGI parts. SAI rifles made up to 100k serial range would have USGI barrels that had a TE of 0. SAI rifles in the 150k range had USGI barrels with a TE of 1 or more.

I seriously doubt that the niche companies currently offering USGI builds are using the same quality of parts that you have. They simply aren't available at the prices they are charging. I suspect they are reconditioned parts from demilled rifles, with varying degrees of wear. I want to make sure that Forum members understand the difference.

My choices are new, out of the wrap USGI parts, followed by new commercial parts by folks like Bula and SEI. Used parts, as found in many CMP style kits, would be my last choice for a quality build.

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Ren, your "old" parts are considered new by my definition.

I am referring to the used USGI parts that folks are paying top dollar for. At the turn of century, SAI would use new commercial oprods and trigger housings on their Match rifles, even while they still were using reconditioned USGI parts on the Standard rifles. This was because the new parts fit better than the worn USGI parts. SAI rifles made up to 100k serial range would have USGI barrels that had a TE of 0. SAI rifles in the 150k range had USGI barrels with a TE of 1 or more.

I seriously doubt that the niche companies currently offering USGI builds are using the same quality of parts that you have. They simply aren't available at the prices they are charging. I suspect they are reconditioned parts from demilled rifles, with varying degrees of wear. I want to make sure that Forum members understand the difference.

My choices are new, out of the wrap USGI parts, followed by new commercial parts by folks like Bula and SEI. Used parts, as found in many CMP style kits, would be my last choice for a quality build.
You and I sir, are on the same page, and I couldn't agree with you more.

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I also received my JRA rifle today, which I ordered from Classic Firearms. Picked it up from my dealer's house, and took it to the range.

Mine is the 22" chrome lined standard model. It has a Bula barrel, or at least I think it does. It says "LIBERTY 7791910 07/16 BDS", and the parkerization is fresh.

It also has an HR trigger group housing, an SA hammer, a HRA oprod, and an HRT bolt. It has the walnut stock with proof marking behind the trigger.

My friend and I shot about 80 rounds through it today. No real grouping with it, just to get it on paper. Had a blast. No malfunctions. I'll shoot some groups with it soon.

All in all, I'm pretty satisfied.

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It says "LIBERTY 7791910 07/16 BDS"
7791910 is the drawing number for the M14 chrome-lined barrel, 07/16 date of manufacture, BDS. Bula Defense Systems. Good to hear everything worked good for you. Enjoy your new piece. -Lloyd

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Old January 1st, 2017, 10:45 PM   #29
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Odd the Bula barrel. That wasn't even listed as an option on the Classic site. Sounds like some standardization is needed.

Glad its working out for you, sounds like a great rifle!

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 12:17 PM   #30
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This reminds me of the story of the guy that ordered a Prius and got a Corevette instead then complained about it. Lol stupid is as stupid does

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