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Old November 4th, 2016, 09:30 AM   #31
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Thanks to all of you guys knowledge and recommendations, I oiled up the extractor and ejector with a little oil, wiped it down, reduced the rounds in each mag by one and it seems to be running a lot better. It feeds and ejects better now but its still not perfect.

I really need to slam some rounds down range and get her loosened up.

THANK YOU for all your support.

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Old November 4th, 2016, 10:14 AM   #32
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Send it back to the factory so a "gunsmith" and not an "assembler" can fix the issue.

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Old November 4th, 2016, 06:20 PM   #34
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Thanks to all of you guys knowledge and recommendations, I oiled up the extractor and ejector with a little oil, wiped it down, reduced the rounds in each mag by one and it seems to be running a lot better. It feeds and ejects better now but its still not perfect.

I really need to slam some rounds down range and get her loosened up.

THANK YOU for all your support.

BC
Follow Tony Ben's YouTube instructions video on lubing your M14/M1A. Concentrate your efforts to the slide rails and bolt bearing surfaces on the receiver. Don't forget to lightly hand oil the OP rod spring and while you're at it apply a small amount of anti-seize to the gas plug threads for future ease in removal. Then take it out to the range for it's break in time.

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One person mentioned it, make sure you are rocking the magazine in. Front first and then rotate the rear up. These don't load like an AR.

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Purchased my brand new SOCOM 16 Two weeks ago from a Connecticut gun exchange. I live in CT so it takes an act of GOD to find someplace to go shooting. Especially a long gun! Yesterday I loaded up the supplied SA 10 Round Mag and attempted to chamber and eject all ten rounds just to test the action. FAIL!

With a full 10 round SA magazine inserted on a closed bolt, I can NOT even get the bolt back to chamber a round. Trust me,,, I tried. If I remove ONE round from the magazine, the bolt is able to cycle by hand but, its not as smooth as it should be.
I switched to a SA 5 round magazine. I CAN NOT get the SA 5 round magazine to insert into the receiver with the bolt closed. If I lock the bolt back, I can insert the Mag and then let the bolt go and it will chamber but it still takes a lot more effort to move the bolt than it should.

Once I chamber a round and attempt to eject it, the round stays inside the chamber and I get a double feed. I have had the bolt grab and eject a round or two but it fails to eject more than it ejects normally.

If I fully cycle the bolt and cock the hammer (empty chamber no mag) and pull the bolt about 1/2 way back, the bolt has a LOT of lateral slop. Enough to make me wonder if something is seriously wrong with the bolt or the receiver machining. Do any of your bolts have any excessive SLOP in that area????

I know guns need to be broken in, but this is way more than that.

I'm pissed but more let down that a brand new SOCOM, out of a sealed box has this many issues and I have NOT even fired a round out of it yet. SAD!

Please give me your thoughts and recommendations. I plan on contacting the gun exchange where I purchased it from tomorrow and see what they say. The damn Gun Store is 60 miles from my house.

The other option is to contact SA and see what they say and most likely Ship it back to Springfield. Its just a paperweight as it sets.

Thanks for listening!

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Thanks to all of you guys knowledge and recommendations, I oiled up the extractor and ejector with a little oil, wiped it down, reduced the rounds in each mag by one and it seems to be running a lot better. It feeds and ejects better now but its still not perfect.

I really need to slam some rounds down range and get her loosened up.

THANK YOU for all your support.

BC
Are you still just manually cycling your rounds at home? OR Have you actually fired a single round through this rifle YET ?

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Old November 5th, 2016, 08:31 AM   #38
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It feeds and ejects better now but its still not perfect.

I really need to slam some rounds down range and get her loosened up.
You're talking about the rifle failing out of the box and how it's still not perfect, but it sounds like you haven't actually fired it yet.

Where exactly is the failure here?

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You're talking about the rifle failing out of the box and how it's still not perfect, but it sounds like you haven't actually fired it yet.

Where exactly is the failure here?
Exactly the point of my posts on this thread, Buelligan
A very good company has been slammed publically without cause.
IF they had a defective rifle it would be deserved
BUT without a single shred of evidence a person who admits to
NEVER HAVING FIRED A ROUND THRU IT headlines a thread slandering SAI on the largest M14 site on the net.
And then has the audacity to keep the headline up and running after finding out the problem is his lack of knowledge and unfamiliarity with the operation of older military rifles's.
Lack of experience is not an excuse for that kind of behavior.
Perhaps my post will enlighten him on how unfair such actions are.
I would suggest the FIRECONTROLMAN Do what the rest of us do and actually fire some rounds thru his rifle ,and not just sit on the couch in his living room cycling live rds thru it.
If it works fine , I expect him to make a thread with the headline just as large as this one , proudly announcing to the world the fault was with him.
If it doesn't work properly the headline is justified
And believe me that fine company he's slammed
will still fix any thing actually wrong with it for him or the rifles 15th owner.


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Exactly the point of my posts on this thread, Buelligan
A very good company has been slammed publically without cause.
IF they had a defective rifle it would be deserved
BUT without a single shred of evidence a person who admits to
NEVER HAVING FIRED A ROUND THRU IT headlines a thread slandering SAI on the largest M14 site on the net.
And then has the audacity to keep the headline up and running after finding out the problem is his lack of knowledge and unfamiliarity with the operation of older military rifles's.
Lack of experience is not an excuse for that kind of behavior.
Perhaps my post will enlighten him on how unfair such actions are.
I would suggest the FIRECONTROLMAN Do what the rest of us do and actually fire some rounds thru his rifle ,and not just sit on the couch in his living room cycling live rds thru it.
If it works fine , I expect him to make a thread with the headline just as large as this one , proudly announcing to the world the fault was with him.
If it doesn't work properly the headline is justified
And believe me that fine company he's slammed
will still fix any thing actually wrong with it for him or the rifles 15th owner.
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I APOLOGIZE for my bold title statement. Yes, I'm new to this rifle. It had issues like no other rifle I have ever owned. After a complete disassembly and a complete LUBE. It cycles much better.

ALL of my misfeed and loading issues were the result of brand new factory Magazines that fail to function properly. I got a chance to fire the SOCOM last weekend. My brother has a ton of old 20 round GI mags and every one of them load, inserted and feed rounds like they are suppose to.

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You are 100% correct about having to massage the 5 & 10 round mags. They come fresh out of the package with sharp edges, the followers cause that 10th and the 5th round to load without ANY extra clearance inside the magazine. Its difficult to even get the last round in the Mag on the 5 round Mag. That caused the top round to jam up on the bottom bolt.

I did what you recommended and filed/smoothed the edges of the mag feed ears where the rounds are fed in, smoothed the insertion lug because it was rough and removed a little bit of the bottoms of the followers. I can now insert the magazine into the gun on a CLOSED BOLT and they cycle MUCH better! I have approx. 1/8" more round feed after the last rounds are in the magazines. That totally solved the inability to insert a magazine on a closed bolt.

I fired 200 rounds. Fired 20 rounds out of the 10 round mags that I have, fired 20 from my 5 round mag and the rest from the 20 round mags. I had a couple of misfeeds from the 10 round mags. The old beat up 20 round GI Mags work the best out of all of them.

I tried to change the TITLE of my post but I do not know how to do it. I will ask the moderators for assistance.

Thanks for all of your recommendations and assistance.



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Anything you post cannot be edited after 30 days. Glad to hear that your rifle is running good (except with the 10rd mags).

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