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Old October 26th, 2016, 06:21 AM   #16
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10 round mags are built in such a way that you cannot get more than 10 in there. I had the same problem with all of my mags so I cut off 1/8 of an inch of metal on the 2 tails on the bottom of the follower.

Now no problem slapping in any mag and loading with the bolt closed. I thought everybody knew about this.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 06:43 AM   #17
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I really believe you should change the title of this thread ,
a legitimate problem is one thing but before ever firing a single round ,
you've slammed a company and a rifle that in all probability has nothing wrong with it.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 06:46 AM   #18
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walnut,post a pic of your adaptation

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Old October 26th, 2016, 06:51 AM   #19
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I'm at work now but I'll post a pic later but it pretty much looks just like it sounds .

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Old October 26th, 2016, 07:15 AM   #20
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I really believe you should change the title of this thread ,
a legitimate problem is one thing but before ever firing a single round ,
you've slammed a company and a rifle that in all probability has nothing wrong with it.
Agreed, this is normal and expected condition.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 07:57 AM   #21
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Clean and lube it, if it still does not function correctly exercise the excellent SAI factory warranty and let them trouble shoot/fix the issue. Anything that you do mechanically to the stock or firearm works to at best make SAI`s job harder or possibly hurts your standing with regard to warranty issues. If you bought a brand new pick-up truck and it didn`t work correctly from the dealership would you take it back to them and let them make it right or would you get your tool box out and try to fix it yourself? JMHO

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Old October 26th, 2016, 10:25 AM   #22
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If I fully cycle the bolt and cock the hammer (empty chamber no mag) and pull the bolt about 1/2 way back, the bolt has a LOT of lateral slop. Enough to make me wonder if something is seriously wrong with the bolt or the receiver machining. Do any of your bolts have any excessive SLOP in that area????
That's not excessive slop, it's totally normal.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #23
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When the rifle is new, it's probably not a good idea to load the magazine to full capacity until the rifle has fully broken in. I had a few failure to feeds when my rifle was brand new and in retrospect, it might have been because I topped up the 20rd magazines the first time I went shooting. After about 5 magazines, the rifle smoothed out and has had zero issues for the next 2900 rounds

If I had been on the internet in 1997 and the M14 forum existed, I probably would have posted a thread similar to this one... but everything was more than fine as it turned out.

Go shooting. Carry on.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 10:52 AM   #24
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When I got my new m1a I tried hand cycling,had all kinds of problems,took it out and shot it worked just find,dosen't like to be hand cycled.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:00 PM   #25
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The 5 and 10 round magazines are commercial designs intended to be loaded with an open bolt. Original USGI 20 round mags can usually be loaded with a closed bolt, but it can be made easier by only keeping 19 rounds in them.
As a Californian, no one knows 10 round magazines better than I do, and my CMI and SAI magazines rock into place (and cycle) with 10 rounds on a closed bolt no problem. Don't know about 5 round magazine though.

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For 10 rnd mag, I always only load 9. For 20s I load 18 as we were taught in the 60s when issued to us in the Marine Corps.
^^^I think this is a more precise answer.^^^ Downloading the magazine by one or two rounds relieves some of the spring tension which makes it easier to insert the magazine from a closed bolt. I'm assuming this will also make it easier to cycle since there is less pressure pushing up on the bolt.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:08 PM   #26
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Whenever I get in new magazines, I take them apart and polish the underside of the feed lips with crocus cloth until they are smooth and shiny. Getting rid of the sharp edges will sometimes reduce the ftf situations and some of the brass shards that accumulate in the receiver of a new rifle.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:37 PM   #27
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OP is this your first M14-type rifle? I ask because those are the same things I noticed when I got my first rifle (scout squad). Magazine insertion is kind of unique in that it's a mix of rock-and-lock and pushing straight in (I'm not trying to make an innuendo, I swear!). There's a technique to it and every friend I've taken to the range always struggled initially with this rifle.

As others mentioned, when chambering a round, just pull the charging handle all the way back and release it. If you ride the charging handle forward the extractor might not snap over the case rim, and the bolt probably won't even fully close.

Also, don't be chambering live rounds at home! Do it on the range.

Finally, Tonyben's videos were really helpful when I first starting learning about this platform: https://www.youtube.com/user/tonyben3/videos

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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:41 PM   #28
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OP is this your first M14-type rifle? I ask because those are the same things I noticed when I got my first rifle (scout squad). Magazine insertion is kind of unique in that it's a mix of rock-and-lock and pushing straight in (I'm not trying to make an innuendo, I swear!). There's a technique to it and every friend I've taken to the range always struggled initially with this rifle.

As others mentioned, when chambering a round, just pull the charging handle all the way back and release it. If you ride the charging handle forward the extractor might not snap over the case rim, and the bolt probably won't even fully close.

Also, don't be chambering live rounds at home! Do it on the range.

Finally, Tonyben's videos were really helpful when I first starting learning about this platform: https://www.youtube.com/user/tonyben3/videos
Oh, you first timers! It's an operating rod, not a charging handle!

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Old October 26th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #29
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Looks like I cut the tails off at the same height as the slide on the left. The slide piece slides up against the edge of the mag box. I don't know what it is actually called.Had to use a large pair of metal shears to snip the metal. Very hard stuff.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 04:44 PM   #30
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My Scout would not accept a full 10 round magazine with the bolt closed. Open...no problem. No issues with CMI 20 round magazines with the bolt closed. So...the issue with the magazines is normal. I'm not experienced enough to speak to your other issues. If all else fails, the lifetime warranty is there for a reason.

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