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Success Rate of Welded Recievers??

This is a discussion on Success Rate of Welded Recievers?? within the Modern M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Regardless of either receiver, M14 or M1, I would not trust it lasting due to a previously heat treated section being welded to another section....


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Old October 25th, 2016, 07:16 PM   #16
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Regardless of either receiver, M14 or M1, I would not trust it lasting due to a previously heat treated section being welded to another section.

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Old October 25th, 2016, 07:19 PM   #17
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Seems to me I read somewhere
that the original M14 receiver metal
does not weld satisfactorily,
and so, unlike the M1 Garand rewelds,
cannot be trusted. Maybe that is why
we don't see M14 rewelds at the range?

Anyone have thoughts on that?
The M14 receiver can be successfully welded using the proper procedures and filler rod followed by carburizing , just like the Garands

The trouble is the legal method of de milling M14 receivers renders the pieces worthless by crushing and cutting through the barrel threads and locking lugs
Whereas the Garands were subject to a older , kinder 1 cut de. mill
M14 receivers cut in two are not legal to re weld

There is no logical reason why the CMP could not de activate M14s to semi auto status and make them available to the public
Politicians have no logic , period

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Old October 25th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #18
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I have heard years ago a few m14s were demilled and sold the lug which held the fun switch was removed. The disconecter was still in place along with the switch kind of like the switch kits some put in today. The oprod dismounted thru the slot in the bottom disconector notch. I cannot comfirm or deny if I have ever seen one.

After these were remanifactured ATF came out and started once a select fire / full auto always a full auto/ select fire. By the way these were not reweld recievers I heard there were 100-200 made and ATF was looking for them I believe these were made in the late 70s. It just be a rumor though.

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Old October 26th, 2016, 06:32 AM   #19
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I believe those were Hahn rifles. Easy conversion that would have made the government millions.

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Old November 30th, 2016, 08:43 PM   #20
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I have heard years ago a few m14s were demilled and sold the lug which held the fun switch was removed. The disconecter was still in place along with the switch kind of like the switch kits some put in today. The oprod dismounted thru the slot in the bottom disconector notch. I cannot comfirm or deny if I have ever seen one.

After these were remanifactured ATF came out and started once a select fire / full auto always a full auto/ select fire. By the way these were not reweld recievers I heard there were 100-200 made and ATF was looking for them I believe these were made in the late 70s. It just be a rumor though.
Hann are good to go as they have an ATF letter

MKS was the company that made these it was early to mid 90's I had one of the first WRA he made I shot over 8k rounds through her easy, she was my pride and joy for years. the problem MKS never received or applied for atf approval they welded the lug but left the op rod disconnect. Once the news came out about atf collections I disassembled my girl, I cut my receiver kept the heel the atf did go collect many but for what ever reason I never received a visit , also MKS was mid run on a semi forged receiver when busted .I think that is how LRB started they paid for and complete the run, I could be off on the last part as I remember Lou contacting me on the old CSP forum asking if I wanted one

as for re-weld there so many out there now
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Old November 30th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #21
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I've got a box full of back halves. I'm thinking of sending some to Mark to get some 99% of the real deal.

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Old December 1st, 2016, 03:23 AM   #22
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I've got a box full of back halves. I'm thinking of sending some to Mark to get some 99% of the real deal.
Way to go.
I am sure Mark would not release a product that he does not have full confidence in.
My Winchester heeled receiver made a super build that I am very proud of.
His new way of attaching the heel behind the rear sight of a brand new Bula Defense Systems receiver looks perfect.
I am looking forward to one each Spr,TRW and H&R eventually.

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Old December 1st, 2016, 09:48 AM   #23
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OK, one problem I can see.

Welding a "heel" on a commercial receiver changes the serial number of the rifle.

If something happens and an LEO checks the number, you could be in deep doo doo.

At least you could be charged for manufacturing a firearm without a license , at best they might want to know how you got an M14 reciever that was supposed to be destroyed,

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There are M14 rewelds out there. Occasionally one will come up for sale. They usually bring 6-8k less than an original M-14, which are in the 25k range and fairly rare. There was a time when the demill process was done with a band saw and only 1 cut. Now it's 2 cuts with a torch and front half is destroyed. Rear half sold as scrap. ATF has a rule "Once a machine gun always a machine gun". That is why the M14 receiver can not just have the selector apparatus whacked off. Per ATF it is still a machine gun and hence falls under the NFA which dictates no machine guns for civilian sales if manufactured after May 1986. Also depending on how the firearm was papered with ATF when it was born affects what can be done with it for adoption as there are several categories i.e. Pre and Post sample guns that are civilian restricted. It's sad because just think if we could just mill off the selector lug. A Semiauto only, true GI M14 would be a lot like a garand or M1 carbine as far as price is concerned.😩

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There are M14 rewelds out there. Occasionally one will come up for sale. They usually bring 6-8k less than an original M-14, which are in the 25k range and fairly rare. There was a time when the demill process was done with a band saw and only 1 cut. Now it's 2 cuts with a torch and front half is destroyed. Rear half sold as scrap. ATF has a rule "Once a machine gun always a machine gun". That is why the M14 receiver can not just have the selector apparatus whacked off. Per ATF it is still a machine gun and hence falls under the NFA which dictates no machine guns for civilian sales if manufactured after May 1986. Also depending on how the firearm was papered with ATF when it was born affects what can be done with it for adoption as there are several categories i.e. Pre and Post sample guns that are civilian restricted. It's sad because just think if we could just mill off the selector lug. A Semiauto only, true GI M14 would be a lot like a garand or M1 carbine as far as price is concerned.😩
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Old January 7th, 2017, 05:53 PM   #26
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OK, one problem I can see.

Welding a "heel" on a commercial receiver changes the serial number of the rifle.

If something happens and an LEO checks the number, you could be in deep doo doo.

At least you could be charged for manufacturing a firearm without a license , at best they might want to know how you got an M14 reciever that was supposed to be destroyed,
No it does not change the serial number. The heel section that is attached is the recorded serial number for the receiver that is sold and shipped from the manufacturing FFL.

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