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Old March 4th, 2017, 06:39 AM   #31
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For what it's worth, when I was looking to put a red dot on my SOCOM16 I read that the farther forward you mount the red dot scope the better, something to consider and read up on. I have my SOCOM mounted in an Archangel stock with an Aimpoint ML4 2MOA dot and it works fine for me. With the flick of a lever on the mount I'm back to the irons. Can't do that with what you're looking at.
Would you please clear up some issues with what you wrote, because I don't understand:

1: As far forward as you can on that weapon platform? What was the source of the advice, SA, third party or the optics manufacturer?
2: What was the reasoning for placing it as far forward as possible?
3: You mention your CompML4 and I was in a unit that was RFI fed a similar optic in 2000, the M68 CCO, and the Facreps had a different view on mounting that hasn't changed to this day, however that was for the M4 series and SASS. When the SA CQB was RFI'd to my platoon in 2009 Iraq, they took my two SASS and I issued out the two SA EBR to my DM's, and mounting was demonstrated at Anaconda by Anniston AD folks and mounting was to be just enough so that the AN/PVS-14 would fit behind it. Can you school me on what you read about the far forward mounting on the EBR and why it was recommended?

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Would you please clear up some issues with what you wrote, because I don't understand:

1: As far forward as you can on that weapon platform? What was the source of the advice, SA, third party or the optics manufacturer?
2: What was the reasoning for placing it as far forward as possible?
3: You mention your CompML4 and I was in a unit that was RFI fed a similar optic in 2000, the M68 CCO, and the Facreps had a different view on mounting that hasn't changed to this day, however that was for the M4 series and SASS. When the SA CQB was RFI'd to my platoon in 2009 Iraq, they took my two SASS and I issued out the two SA EBR to my DM's, and mounting was demonstrated at Anaconda by Anniston AD folks and mounting was to be just enough so that the AN/PVS-14 would fit behind it. Can you school me on what you read about the far forward mounting on the EBR and why it was recommended?

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The farther forward it's mounted the dot shrinks in MOA...

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Old March 4th, 2017, 10:54 AM   #33
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Ok, thank you! However, I need some schooling on what you are saying, please:

I'm really not trying to be a smartass, just trying to understand the logic behind moving it more forward on the weapon so the weight of the front of the weapon increases, decreasing CQB weapon response time (especially if you have a light and PEQ-2/ or other laser for bedroom use at the house mounted forward too) for MOUT OPS with tired Soldiers and loss of use of the PVS-14.

Meaning, I don't get why using a 2MOA COMPML2 or 4 or M68 and trying to reduce the objective red dot even smaller when shooting 0-200M (at most in MOUT; yep I know I'm being generous with 200M) helps? I can't grasp this concept of trying to make the red dot smaller in the differing MOUT scenarios for which you'd use the EBR platform. Now, I'm a retread with only DATs for friends, so please speak slowly when you try to explain it to me, because I still don't understand the concept. To give you some background, I do purchase and use FFP Vortex optics (MRad reticals only), so I'm not new to the optics concept.

Help please!

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During my time in service we only had the M16A1/2 and a lot less acronyms! So forgive me if I only get about half of what your talking about.

All I can tell you is some folks like the scout scope concept of mounting the scope farther forward of the action, and it has the added benefit of making a 2 MOA dot a bit smaller, it's just a preference some folks have, and most of us are not likely to roll out of bed with PVS-14's & PEQ's on an EBR chassis system ready for combat.

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Thank you!

That cleared up the suspicion I had that it was more likely than not a potentially dangerous personal preference.

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I got the CQB w/ the Venom sight for my birthday(that girl of mine is a keeper!)
The sight is low profile and mounts to the stripper clip guide. One of the things I
found out about it is:
underneath the sight between the mount and sight there is a tapered shim,
for those of you thinking of machining one.
You cannot co witness the battle sight and the venom.
I have not had any problems with ejection hitting the sight, brass being
ejected clears to the right front.
I love the rifle for the purpose I intended it for:
Easy access truck gun.
When I want to get serious I go with my SS Loaded.
I hope this helps with some of yall's questions!

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.... One of the things I
found out about it is:
underneath the sight between the mount and sight there is a tapered shim,
for those of you thinking of machining one.
You cannot co witness the battle sight and the venom.
Thanks CF. That answered a lot of questions. Not worth doing if it still won't co-witness.
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https://www.botach.com/kley-zion-m14...ip-sight-base/

Isn't this about the same type base?

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This is much better. Just give me a month to get it made. Zoom in on the iron sight picture. Wide open view. This mount sits just high enough so one has to barely move between irons and red dot, and low enough that a solid chin well is provided. (Patented) Questions?
That looks like a great ideal.

So far our work on making a mount similar to the one from Springfield has met with so so performance. Having issues with the mount interfering with ejection.

More trial and error when the time allows. My machinist is out of town for a while.

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That looks like a great ideal.

So far our work on making a mount similar to the one from Springfield has met with so so performance. Having issues with the mount interfering with ejection.

More trial and error when the time allows. My machinist is out of town for a while.
Thanks. The idea came about by evolution from my Dual Sight Mount. Just by chance. I'm waiting on word from one of the site sponsors who said he will look at its possibility for his company to make in order to determine whether they would have an interest in both mounts.

The one pictured places the mount above the irons but it can be made to co-witness. It just depends on the shooters preference which one they would want.

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Nevermind. This post came under the heading of "Department of Redundancy Department".


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