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Old August 14th, 2016, 11:59 AM   #1
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socom 16 build

I'm doing some upgrading to my socom 16 and would like some input- my goals are low weight with accuracy - here's what my current upgrade list includes:

Mcmillan m1a stock
criterion nm 16 barrel
sadlak nm spring guide
usgi style fiberglass handguard
during installation I intend to have NM trigger tuning done.

Are there any other part upgrades recommended for the socom 16? The gas system improvements out there don't seem to be compatible with the socom...

Are there any handguard options that are going to be lighter than the standard fiberglass?

My debate with the mcmillan stock is whether or not to use the usgi style buttplate or the 1/2" decelerator...thoughts?

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Old August 14th, 2016, 12:42 PM   #2
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There is nothing lightweight about a bedded McMillan stock.

Get a unitized gas cylinder.

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Old August 14th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #3
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Not sure if this would fit your wants, but AG Composites (hope I got that name right) has some very nice carbon fiber stock and handguard options. These weigh nothing, but are not inexpensive. That's the direction I plan to go with my LRB-based "SOCOM," which has a Criterion, chrome lined 16" that fitted up right at the tight end of the headspace range. (It eats everything so far.) I used the SEI brake, though just for fun I may try another option or two when I can. Shoulder and arm were just surgically repaired, so I am a one-armed man for the next little while. No range time for me for any time soon, sadly.

I look forward to learning what choices you make.

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There is nothing lightweight about a bedded McMillan stock.

Get a unitized gas cylinder.
What composite stock would you recommend over the mcmillan?

What manufacturer do you recommend for a nm gas cylinder? Are they all universally compatible with the socom?

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have you heard anything about the accuracy of the ag carbon fiber?

anyone else have experience with these?

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have you heard anything about the accuracy of the ag carbon fiber?

anyone else have experience with these?
From my research it will yield better accuracy than any stock but a mcmillan bedded and aluminum stock. So for being super light it is a good option. Question is it in stock.

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Only you know what's most important to you, but if you're goal is precision, you should be honest with yourself, A lighter gun, with a shorter barrel, even if the gun itself is inherently as accurate as a 22" NM bedded in a heavy stock, will be harder for you to shoot as well. In addition, you give away a little bit of muzzle velocity with a 16" barrel. So, the question you need to ask yourself is if best accuracy or best handling is the primary purpose. That 16+ lb Socom won't be much fun to hump though the woods, with a pack. So if you want the best shooting gun you can build, but with the lightest weight, I'd choose a lighter stock than a McMillan. Another thing to consider, an 18" Scout configuration is just about as light as a Socom length, and the Scout isn't much longer, along with getting better performance from the cartridge.

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Only go with a highly figured USGI wood stock or Zerg will kill yo babies...

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What composite stock would you recommend over the mcmillan?

What manufacturer do you recommend for a nm gas cylinder? Are they all universally compatible with the socom?
Fiberglass is heavier than wood, which is heavier than polymer or carbon fiber. Everything is a compromise. Wait until you see how much heavier a NM guide rod is over a USGI one.

For a state of the art unitized gas cylinder, get the best parts you can find and have someone like Ted Brown screw and glue them together, AMU style.

There is nothing wrong with welded ones, though, and they are less expensive. SAI has been using them for about 15 years now on their Match rifles and I have never heard of one coming apart. Of course, folks don't usually use Match rifles for bayonet drills.

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This has all been helpful

It sounds like the AG stock may be what's right for me.

The AG installation seems pretty "drop in"....would it be beneficial to have it bedded?

re the unitized gas system...my understanding was that the socom gas system is modified because of the shorter barrel...?

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a couple updates upon further research...

AG Composites isn't manufacturing any more m1a stocks for at least 9 months, some people have bedded their stocks, but it doesn't seem necessary.

The gas system on the socom is the same as every other m1a. That being said, there seems to be a lot of debate on whether or not unitizing is actually beneficial, especially if I'm not bedding the stock...

whether or not I go the unitized route, it seems it is still worthwhile to upgrade the gas system...is replacing the piston good enough or is it warranted to replace the whole system? SEI, LRB, black nitride, sadlak? most of the "match" gas systems are around $200 but not all of them say who the manufacturer is...

Nm front ferrule?

I realize all of these topics could be their own thread, and once again I appreciate the input as there's a lot of conflicting and misinformation out there

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The only real difference in the gas system is that they incorporate the front sight and muzzle break into the gas block lock. Other than that they are the same. I had my gas block untized with the barrel band on mine. I'm going for the same goal. I've made the standard upgrades short of going to a Smith. I had the rifle down to 7.4 lbs. in the crappy plastic stock. That just wouldn't do. So, I replaced the stock with a maple milsurp from Fred's bringing the weight up to 8 lbs. Pretty happy so far, but not quite finished yet.

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The only real difference in the gas system is that they incorporate the front sight and muzzle break into the gas block lock. Other than that they are the same. I had my gas block untized with the barrel band on mine. I'm going for the same goal. I've made the standard upgrades short of going to a Smith. I had the rifle down to 7.4 lbs. in the crappy plastic stock. That just wouldn't do. So, I replaced the stock with a maple milsurp from Fred's bringing the weight up to 8 lbs. Pretty happy so far, but not quite finished yet.
Was it just that you didn't want a crappy plastic stock, or is there a point where an m1a becomes just too light to shoot comfortably?

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The crappy plastic stock. I don't believe its possible to get an m1a light enough for it to be uncomfortable to shoot. The plastic stock flexed quite a bit. Plus the trade off trade off of weight vs the feel and look of wood was not really a debate. Not to mention the increase in accuracy of a better stock.

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Also, I don't know what I was thinking when I said, "maple". The stock is walnut.

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