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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:22 AM   #31
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That's not cqb this is
And weighs a flipping ton... lol Tried one, just a little too heavy for my taste. The new lighter ones might be interesting, waiting for one around here to test.

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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:32 AM   #32
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The Springfield weighs 9.3lbs with the red dot.... that seems pretty reasonable

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Old January 27th, 2016, 10:07 AM   #33
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This new CQB model has my gears turning....

I'm thinking Scout Squad rifle with wooden stock and use that stripper clip red dot mount. I'd be something fairly compact but plenty of 'oomph'. You could drop the forward scout-style rail and still have red dot compatibility. I can't help but think that clamping more stuff to the barrel improves accuracy.

A wooden stock with the more discrete micro red dot might be just the right blend of tradition and new-school.

Additionally you could run a hooded, small aperture, NM rear sight for long range shooting, but have a co-witnessed red dot for the close stuff. Sounds like a great truck gun to me.
I think we are missing the point here: Close Quarter Battle - my definition is anything inside 50 yards....hence ghost ring sights, short barrel, etc. In my opinion (for what it is worth) if you want a long-range rifle, buy one that is intended for such, rather than trying to adapt a platform not intended for that use. Let the flaming begin!! (Grin)

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Old January 27th, 2016, 11:00 AM   #34
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Saw it too. It had been awhile since something new came out that made me raise an eyebrow, but that picture did for me for some reason. Looks fun, but no-go in CA for us.

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Old January 27th, 2016, 12:30 PM   #35
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For cqb I'm not sure you really need the sights but a good light on there somewhere might come in handy. Hopefully I ain't gonna be testing my theory anytime in the foreseeable future. Anyway, if ya like the big sights with the wide open spaces they're on there and if ya don't ya can change 'em. But back to the op's question......it's a NICE rifle.

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Old February 1st, 2016, 10:44 AM   #36
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I would really like to see what the stock will cost by it self .... My scout model is looking for a new "dress"

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Old February 3rd, 2016, 12:59 PM   #37
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I found this:

http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupersto....cfm/ID/168128

Ehh.. it's not blowin' my skirt up.

To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee, that's not a CQB SOCOM, THIS is a CQB SOCOM:





I have a feeling seeing this rifle is going to cost me a bundle of money the size the Joker burned in the Batman Begins to have my own...

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Old February 3rd, 2016, 02:46 PM   #38
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A CQB model has just shown up at my LGS with a $2249 price tag. The one thing that I noticed is that it comes with a Vortex Venom RDS from the factory, so I guess that there's two models available?

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Old February 3rd, 2016, 04:40 PM   #39
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i have a feeling seeing this rifle is going to cost me a bundle of money the size the joker burned in the batman begins to have my own...


Lol!

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Old February 3rd, 2016, 04:53 PM   #40
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FB link doesn't work for those of us not into Facebookery.

I found this:

http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupersto....cfm/ID/168128

Ehh.. it's not blowin' my skirt up.

To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee, that's not a CQB SOCOM, THIS is a CQB SOCOM:





Um, am I missing something? Or if someone pulls that rifle(?) up to use that red dot they're going to get smacked in the face by what looks like a very ugly, sharp, hard mass when they pull the trigger.

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Old February 4th, 2016, 11:45 AM   #41
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Kazz,

Not sure what you're asking. The folding stock should allow you to operate the rifle with the stock folded - hence why it folds to the left side of the receiver and doesn't interact with the op rod as it reciprocates. You essentially fire it as a large pistol when folded.

When the stock is placed in line with the receiver the rifle locks up (faux buffer tube wise) and is operated normally. In the event the shooter uses the red dot scope he / she looks through it normally with a regular cheek-to-stockweld and runs the gun. This would be no different than say a AK-47 with an Ultimak rail which replaces the AK's gas tube.

There are downsides to running your red rot that far far forward, most notably is a decreased FOV, but any number of operator requirements may drive red-dot sight placement on the top rail - most common are any vision issues where having a red dot to close to the eye combined with farsightedness may interfere with good sight picture. Having the monolithic 12 o'clock rail gives the user unlimited flexibility in placement for said red-dot. Bottom line, if it works for you, it works for you.

I'm not trying to sharpshoot here - I may not be understanding your question. The McMillan MFS-14 stock brings the advantages of a glass bedded receiver together with the compactness of a AK side folder.

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I'm talking about trying to fire the thing with the stock folded yet trying to use the red dot with your trigger arm bent. Putting the back of the folded stock near your face. I get that you're not supposed to do it. I just see it happening once someone wants to take a more measured shot. Much like crap I've seen on Youtube. Lotsa pain in the face!

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I'm talking about trying to fire the thing with the stock folded yet trying to use the red dot with your trigger arm bent. Putting the back of the folded stock near your face. I get that you're not supposed to do it. I just see it happening once someone wants to take a more measured shot. Much like crap I've seen on Youtube. Lotsa pain in the face!

That's the beauty of a RDS. A sight picture can be obtained with the RDS closer or farther from your face.

Perhaps some idiot out there might be dumb enough to bring the back end of a rifle/stock combo like this right up into their face and then fire it, but I can guarantee you that I'm not one of them.

Everything I've read, the training I've received and my own personal experience has shown that the further forward a RDS is mounted, the greater the forward field of view is.

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A review by some one drinking the Springfield cool aid:

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/look...darmorysocom16

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