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Old January 20th, 2016, 10:13 AM   #16
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Springfield is so confusing to me when it comes to their M1A. I feel like they just don't understand their own product and the market for it.

When it comes to the traditional M1A, they are pretty good at it. They can sorta go for the Vietnam era military nostalgia and the NRA highpower competition with the NM and supermatch stuff. But when it comes to anything remotely outside that realm, they just continually miss their mark.

Exhibit 1: Their scope mounts. They have a horrible reputation. Springfield has shown that they aren't afraid to acquire parts from other companies (Promag, VLTOR, etc), so why can't they get a contract with ARMS, SADLAK, etc. to put out a decent scope mount?

Exhibit 2: Their scout mount. Why can't they build a mount that is at least in spec? I use it for lack of a better option, but do they not realize the rest of the world uses Picatinny rails? Horrible design.

Exhibit 3: The SOCOM 2. I feel like they realized people like rails so they just put a bunch of rails on their rifle and called it a day without any regards to weight, balance, or utility. The idea was kinda cool for five minutes, but it took them a lot longer to finally quit selling it.

Exhibit 4: This new CQB thing. This is their first real effort to bring their M1A into the modern tactical world (five years late?). Its like they put together a small list of features they needed (pistol grip - check; rails - check [barely]; adjustable stock - check), and then got it down to the most absolute cheapest version they could (Promag, really?). While I do like a few things about it (the weight), it is nowhere near as customizable as it needs to be for the tactical market. No full rail across the top, no picatinny on top, fake buffer tube can't change out, bbl not inline with stock, the list goes on. If they were outsourcing their stock, why couldn't they go with a quality chassis company like VLTOR or Troy? Do they just want to sell to the lowest common denominator? Because anyone that can afford this in the first place can probably afford a couple hundred extra for a vastly nicer chassis. It sure would do a lot for their reputation, especially among casual fans.

Lastly, where is the EBR? Anything mil-spec sells like crazy and they are missing out huge by not having a ready to go clone of what the military (Navy SEALS!) use. Maybe that's a licensing thing, I don't know, but if it were me, I'd be fighting hard to get the rights for it. An EBR would be legitimate competition for people buying the SCAR 17 and the like.

Anyway, sorry for the rant on Springfield, they just boggle my mind sometimes with their engineering and business decisions.

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Old January 20th, 2016, 12:09 PM   #17
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I pretty much agree with everything you posted, except I'm not so sure EBR equipped M1As would make much of a dent in big SCAR sales, not based on the people I know who own .308 SCARs. It would probably create it's own niche in the market.

I've been really wrong before, though. Really, really wrong.

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Old January 20th, 2016, 02:54 PM   #19
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Old January 20th, 2016, 03:40 PM   #20
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Not a big fan of the "AR" influence.....
Don't understand it.....
I've even seen it on some lever actions😣

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Old January 20th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #21
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I am pretty new to the m1a platform. not new to the m1. i bought my scout so i could shoot a 30 cal with iron sights. 7.62 is a bargain compared to 06 ball. yeah, i bought a black plastic stock. i know people like to customize their rifles, scopes, red dots etc..... i am just having a hard time understanding why.

if i want to shoot a scoped rifle i will shoot my m70. if i want to shoot a red dot i will "try" to get my ar from my son.

maybe i am way off base but i feel the whole point of shooting a m1 or a m1a is the iron sight. i guess i get a little satisfaction being one of the few guys at the range punching paper without optics. maybe i'm old. i don't know. but that's how i feel. to each their own.

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Old January 20th, 2016, 06:51 PM   #22
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Axle hit the nail on the head.

There's definitely a niche for iron sight folks, but the market has gravitated towards EBR's simply because of modularity and picking what you like best.

Springfield will make many sales with this new system, but it won't be me. Personally I'm collecting parts to build it my way, which will likely include a Blackfeather.

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Old January 22nd, 2016, 05:29 AM   #23
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Boy that rifle sure didn't have a particular angle for tossing the brass lol! I like it, I think they should of just done some kind of kit with there poly stocks but it's better than a bare bones crap poly stock! There just trying to sell sell sell that's all the stock is about.

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Old January 22nd, 2016, 07:11 AM   #24
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Boy that rifle sure didn't have a particular angle for tossing the brass lol! I like it, I think they should of just done some kind of kit with there poly stocks but it's better than a bare bones crap poly stock! There just trying to sell sell sell that's all the stock is about.
That's the impression I've gotten from a lot of manufacturers lately. Quantity over quality.

I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them initially, then maybe they'll realize a modular rear portion of the platform will get a whole new audience (and compete directly with similar stock platforms from other companies) and they'll finally get around to doing it.

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This concept kinda reminds me of the...

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Old January 22nd, 2016, 09:22 AM   #26
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So....has anyone on the Forum actually fired one of these? Opinions we have aplenty - confirmed firing details - not so much.

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Old January 26th, 2016, 07:52 PM   #27
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This new CQB model has my gears turning....

I'm thinking Scout Squad rifle with wooden stock and use that stripper clip red dot mount. I'd be something fairly compact but plenty of 'oomph'. You could drop the forward scout-style rail and still have red dot compatibility. I can't help but think that clamping more stuff to the barrel improves accuracy.

A wooden stock with the more discrete micro red dot might be just the right blend of tradition and new-school.

Additionally you could run a hooded, small aperture, NM rear sight for long range shooting, but have a co-witnessed red dot for the close stuff. Sounds like a great truck gun to me.

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Old January 27th, 2016, 12:56 AM   #28
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So....has anyone on the Forum actually fired one of these? Opinions we have aplenty - confirmed firing details - not so much.
Had the chance to use one last week. Handles well, seems very solid, lots of adjustment in the stock and the cheekpiece comes off if you want to use irons. I have never been a fan if the huge Socom sights(my Socoms wear Scout fronts and standard diameter rears) and it still has those but its new owner shot it well. Being a traditional guy I'll not own one but honestly can't fault it. All in all, if you like pistol gripped M14's, it looks like a good way to get started without spending another young fortune AFTER you've bought the rifle.

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Maybe i am way off base but i feel the whole point of shooting a M1A or a M14 is the iron sight. I guess i get a little satisfaction being one of the few guys at the range punching paper without optics. Maybe i'm old. I don't know. But that's how i feel. To each their own.
I'm right on board with ya there, Duke. Irons at 200 yards can't be beat.

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That's not cqb this is
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