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Old June 17th, 2015, 06:42 PM   #1
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Promag Archangel stock- so far, so good.

I know their have been a few threads on this, but I'll add some input as Promag's "Archangel" stock has got something of a love-hate series of reviews.

Let's get one thing clear at the outset: It is NOT a JAE or Sage, nor is it marketed as such. For me, however, $270 seemed more reasonable for a rifle I can only locally shoot out to 200-250 yards.

I wanted something that felt better as the USGI just wasn't for me, even with a Bradley cheek rest. The USGI felt too awkward with a scope. I just couldn't get comfortable & my groups showed it.

Initial install of the stock was snug. Took steady, but firm convincing to get the trigger group for the first time. The guard had to be swung down farther than normal. The action was immediately firmly pulled into the stock and came to hand quite readily. After adjusting the length & riser it felt better immediately.

A quick trip to my closest range, albeit only 50 yards, revealed a distinct, but consistent 6" lower POI. Adjusting 2+ mils up brought me to 1" high at 50Y, which should be in the ballpark when I get out to the 200.

So far, I rather like it. Was MUCH easier to steady and hold aim and felt far more comfortable. Shots were much more consistent, even at this initially short range. I'll give more details when I get to the 200Y range. Again, this is NOT a pro grade stock, but for me is enough. If I can keep +/- 1 MOA groups or so at 200Y with a stock LRB with Ted Brown trigger job then that's fine with me for now.

Rifle details: LRB M14 with Burris XTR II scope and Fed. 168 Gold Medal ammo.

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Old June 18th, 2015, 07:36 AM   #2
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When I went from my Archangel to a USGI birch stock, the POI went up 6" at 100 yds.

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Not a fan of anything "ProMag" but a lot seem to be very satisfied with this stock offering.
As long as you like it, and it suits your needs, that's a WIN!

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When I went from my Archangel to a USGI birch stock, the POI went up 6" at 100 yds.
I think that's pretty normal. Mine moves a good foot vertically when I swap stocks.

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When I went from my Archangel to a USGI birch stock, the POI went up 6" at 100 yds.
Interesting.....exactly mirrors my experience. Good to know.

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Not a fan of anything "ProMag" but a lot seem to be very satisfied with this stock offering.
As long as you like it, and it suits your needs, that's a WIN!
I too have never thought well of Promag until this purchase & stay far away from their mags, etc. But, fair is fair. This stock has thus far exceeded my expectations. Much of the negative reviews appear to arise from user error & less than good directions. I called them to suggest better written instructions & ask for a 2nd lower rail cover as I'll need to trim mine for a bipod. I'd like to have a full length cover as well. They are sending at no charge.

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' Pro Grade ' is a rather subjective term, I guess that means expensive as hell.

This is not a disrespect of the 'expensive' stocks, I dig the way they look and if they weight a LOT less then that is something to really consider, in fact I am looking at Tony Ben's video of the newest light weight mod stock and may buy one myself.


Its just that sometimes a wooden mouse trap ( plastic no frills stock ) is all You need and not one made of titanium with adjustable micro click cheeze bracket tensioner lol.

The target does not care if You are behind stock X $$$$ or stock Y $

If they both shoot sub moa and keep it there consistently in varying conditions then isn't that the important part ?

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' Pro Grade ' is a rather subjective term, I guess that means expensive as hell.

This is not a disrespect of the 'expensive' stocks, I dig the way they look and if they weight a LOT less then that is something to really consider, in fact I am looking at Tony Ben's video of the newest light weight mod stock and may buy one myself.


Its just that sometimes a wooden mouse trap ( plastic no frills stock ) is all You need and not one made of titanium with adjustable micro click cheeze bracket tensioner lol.

The target does not care if You are behind stock X $$$$ or stock Y $

If they both shoot sub moa and keep it there consistently in varying conditions then isn't that the important part ?
Very true. My point was that some look at anything which isn't made of unobtainium as unworthy. In the end, it is the results which matter.

Just today I got to the 50 Y range. The first shot on a cold bore & maybe my technique was a little high. The next 3 all had overlapping holes in a rather small clover where I wanted them. If I extrapolate to 200-300 yards I'll be happy.

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 08:14 AM   #9
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Just got my stock for $175 from GB.com.
Lucky for me, no one was bidding on it so there~
Incase anyone is interested, same seller just put another one up starts at same price.
I guess you can't go wrong with it at that price.
Can someone recommend reasonable priced bipod that will go with it? I really don't see a reason to spend 100's on bipod unless someone in here can convince me why I should spend so much $$$ on it.
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Just got my stock for $175 from GB.com.
Lucky for me, no one was bidding on it so there~
Incase anyone is interested, same seller just put another one up starts at same price.
I guess you can't go wrong with it at that price.
Can someone recommend reasonable priced bipod that will go with it? I really don't see a reason to spend 100's on bipod unless someone in here can convince me why I should spend so much $$$ on it.
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I like this one:

http://www.laruetactical.com/harris-...el-mount-combo

Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.

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Old July 2nd, 2015, 05:30 PM   #11
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I like this one:

http://www.laruetactical.com/harris-...el-mount-combo

Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.
Don't have much experience with bi pod so I have to ask.
Why is it necessary to have expensive bi pod?
Would cheap ones decrease accuracy? or something?
Isn't it good enough as long as it won't break down on you and hold the rifle when you shoot?
Again, I just need more info is all.
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Old July 2nd, 2015, 05:34 PM   #12
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Just got done installing with Archangel stock and oh boy I have never filed so much in my life ever.
Looks and feels good though. I like it.
But Would I do it again? Probably not.

I just don't understand how some people were able to just fit it in right out of the box..... do all M1A's come in slight different size?

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Don't have much experience with bi pod so I have to ask.
Why is it necessary to have expensive bi pod?
Would cheap ones decrease accuracy? or something?
Isn't it good enough as long as it won't break down on you and hold the rifle when you shoot?
Again, I just need more info is all.
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If you are shooting 100 yds from a bench, then pretty much anything is fine. Once you start shooting 500+ yds from field positions, repeatability and precision become priorities. You need a sturdy bipod that you can preload while on uneven terrain. You can't afford to have any play or wobble.

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Don't have much experience with bi pod so I have to ask.
Why is it necessary to have expensive bi pod?
Would cheap ones decrease accuracy? or something?
Isn't it good enough as long as it won't break down on you and hold the rifle when you shoot?
Again, I just need more info is all.
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If you are shooting 100 yds from a bench, then pretty much anything is fine. Once you start shooting 500+ yds from field positions, repeatability and precision become priorities. You need a sturdy bipod that you can preload while on uneven terrain. You can't afford to have any play or wobble.

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If you are shooting 100 yds from a bench, then pretty much anything is fine. Once you start shooting 500+ yds from field positions, repeatability and precision become priorities. You need a sturdy bipod that you can preload while on uneven terrain. You can't afford to have any play or wobble.
got it, thank you.

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