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Old July 3rd, 2015, 08:46 AM   #16
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Don't have much experience with bi pod so I have to ask.
Why is it necessary to have expensive bi pod?
Would cheap ones decrease accuracy? or something?
Isn't it good enough as long as it won't break down on you and hold the rifle when you shoot?
Again, I just need more info is all.
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This model quickly mounts & dismounts on the rail. It also swivels & it both adjustable & durable. This will help at longer ranges. I subscribe to the buy once cry once philosophy. Buy quality & any errors are on you.

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Old July 3rd, 2015, 08:49 AM   #17
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Just got done installing with Archangel stock and oh boy I have never filed so much in my life ever.
Looks and feels good though. I like it.
But Would I do it again? Probably not.

I just don't understand how some people were able to just fit it in right out of the box..... do all M1A's come in slight different size?
Mine required precisely zero filing. Nothing. No modifications whatsover.

All I did was to seat in the front ferrule by smacking the buttstock with the action open as shown in their video & then gently inserting the trigger group. I did have to swing the trigger guard out about 75 degrees the first time or so, but after that it seats and re-seats perfectly. Mine is an LRB receiver for whatever that means.


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Old July 3rd, 2015, 04:19 PM   #18
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I have been contemplating getting the Archangel stock for a while now. I wonder if the guys who filed their stock are getting groups as tight as the non filing guys? Or did they just booger up their 300 dollar stock?

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Old July 3rd, 2015, 04:30 PM   #19
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I have been contemplating getting the Archangel stock for a while now. I wonder if the guys who filed their stock are getting groups as tight as the non filing guys? Or did they just booger up their 300 dollar stock?
You may be right.

I called Promag/Archangel BEFORE starting to head off any issues. Seemed like decent folks.

They were quite blunt that almost all the complaints were by people who did not follow the instructions and/or forced something when gentle persuasion or a break was indicated. One guy apparently went off on them when he couldn't get his trigger group in due to the spacer placed in the receiver well for shipping. Others went way too quickly for a file or worse, a dremel. They says they see this all the time when partially install, back out and repeat several times until the trigger group seats is the way to go. Worked for me.

I can only speak to my experience which is positive. Very tight, very snug, positive and repeatable fit with excellent adjustments. Is it a JAE? Of course not. But, for my purposes it is just what I need. I'm not (yet) a good enough shooter to see any difference between it and a $1500 stock at ranges I have access to.

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Can someone recommend reasonable priced bipod that will go with it? I really don't see a reason to spend 100's on bipod unless someone in here can convince me why I should spend so much $$$ on it.
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I already had an GI M2 BiPod, but wanted to have it Weaver Rail Mounted in lieu of the Gas Mount
So I bought this NcStar M2:
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Stole the Weaver Mount from the NcStar and swapped it with the Gas Mount from the GI M2
Resold the NcStar (with the GI Gas Mount) and ended up with the BiPod I wanted:




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I watched their video and followed the directions. It worked for me. It is a tight fit but my groups are consistent and the stock is comfortable. I am very happy with the purchase.
NO DRILLING, Filing or hammering needed.

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Old July 8th, 2015, 08:46 AM   #22
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Just got done installing with Archangel stock and oh boy I have never filed so much in my life ever.
Looks and feels good though. I like it.
But Would I do it again? Probably not.

I just don't understand how some people were able to just fit it in right out of the box..... do all M1A's come in slight different size?
You shouldnt have filed it.

It compresses over time. It was incredibly tight, and then it became more fitted after staying compressed for several months

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Old August 18th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #23
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I recently started using a Promag Archangel stock as well. I bought it used and did not need to do any filing. Fit was very tight but I did not need to force anything.

I am planning to put on a scope when I have the funds. For now I tried it out with iron sights to compare with the USGI fiberglass stock I was previously using. I fired five rounds at each of these targets. Distance was 100 yards. I shot prone using a bipod and lying on a shooting mat (First time I tried that versus shooting off the bench). Ammo was Hornady Steel Match. I fired 10 rounds to help "seat" the action into the stock before firing at these targets. I also let the barrel cool for a while before firing at the targets.

I'll admit it is not the most definitive test but I think I do shoot better with the Promag stock.
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Old August 19th, 2015, 04:15 AM   #24
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I recently started using a Promag Archangel stock as well. I bought it used and did not need to do any filing. Fit was very tight but I did not need to force anything.

I am planning to put on a scope when I have the funds. For now I tried it out with iron sights to compare with the USGI fiberglass stock I was previously using. I fired five rounds at each of these targets. Distance was 100 yards. I shot prone using a bipod and lying on a shooting mat (First time I tried that versus shooting off the bench). Ammo was Hornady Steel Match. I fired 10 rounds to help "seat" the action into the stock before firing at these targets. I also let the barrel cool for a while before firing at the targets.

I'll admit it is not the most definitive test but I think I do shoot better with the Promag stock.
Better? I don't think "better" is the word!

The 2nd pic with the Promag is some fine shooting with irons at 100yards! I'd be happy to do that with a scope!

Intersting as it also shows a POI change I experienced. Different stock, different results.

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Old August 19th, 2015, 08:43 AM   #25
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Better? I don't think "better" is the word!

The 2nd pic with the promo is some fine shooting with irons at 100yards! I'd be happy to do that with a scope!

Intersting as it also shows a POI change I experienced. Different stock, different results.

Thanks for the compliment. I am wondering if I can consistently get those results!

The POI did change quite a bit. But it did that when I switched from the SAI polymer to the USGI fiberglass as well. The POI changed again when I used the Promag stock. One consistency is that I have needed to lower the elevation with each change. I'm only 3 clicks from the bottom at this point. You should see what happens with Tula .308 ammo. The target looks like a giant shotgun blast.

One important thing I forgot to mention was that I was shooting for group consistency. Therefore, I just aimed at the same spot to see how tight of a group I could shoot. I have not gotten around to making further adjustments to the iron sights.

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Thanks for the reports. I'll be getting an Archangel in the near future and you guys have made me feel confident I shouldn't have any problems swapping the stocks.

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Just got done installing with Archangel stock and oh boy I have never filed so much in my life ever.
Looks and feels good though. I like it.
But Would I do it again? Probably not.

I just don't understand how some people were able to just fit it in right out of the box..... do all M1A's come in slight different size?
I'm an old guy with some disabilities so I can't press the receiver in with one hand and press the trigger guard with the other so I tapped the rear of the receiver with a rubber mallet two of three times and pressed the trigger guard in place. Later, I took the rifle apart to do some painting and found there were no witness marks inside the stock so the receiver didn't scrape anything. It's a solid tight fit and I had to use the rubber mallet to put it back together again -- still tight as a whale's ass.

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My ArchAngel was tight too
So I took my Jorgensen Clamp and held it in place for a nice hot summer day
Fits great now

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One I got had a very small manufacturing defect. A small portion of a wall around the trigger group, near the back, was about .010" bumped into the cavity. Took about 10 seconds to carefully flatten it out, and then it went in as per the instructional video, mostly... Definitely should watch the video. They really should include the instructions, with illustrations, with the stock. It sure doesn't pop off and on like the stock... stock.

I used some wooden blocks and a ratcheting tie down to get the receiver into the stock so that I could close the trigger guard...



Turned out pretty nice. As the OP says, it isn't the same as one of those serious chassis rigs, but for what it is, I can't complain. Has some handy features for a good price. Plus, I don't feel weird about painting it to look like a cartoon gun.



I think eventually I'd like to try something like a blackfeather, but until then, I'm happy with my toy.

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