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Old October 30th, 2012, 07:53 PM   #1
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Question New guy seeking Springfield M1A purchase advice

New guy seeking purchase advice. I'm a future Springfield M1A owner doing his homework. The more I read the less I know. Personal background: Never owned a military rifle. Not skilled at care and feeding of said but willing to learn. Never sighted a rifle. Want something I can eventually learn to shoot long distance but likely the majority of the use will be as a ranch gun. Of course there is the desire to defend the home. I am a traditionalist and am wanting the standard barrel length M1A. I want a walnut stock and a black barrel. Also want a 20 round clip. I have no plans to use a scope but might one day. I know that as in most things, you get what you pay for. No issue there but like everyone, I am on a budget. That said, a few questions:

What level Springfield M1A should I buy- National Match, Loaded or Standard?

I am intrigued by the quality and reputation of the National Match edition as well as the features it comes with. I've read elsewhere the National Match model is bit more difficult to maintain, sight, keep sighted, and requires upgraded ammunition. Is this true and to what extent? Not afraid of that but as a first time owner, don't want to get in over my head.

What is the best ammunition to use (brand and model)? What should I budget for per round?

Whatever questions I should be asking but don't know enough to, please include in your answer. Thank you in advance for your reply. I look forward to putting your wisdom into my first purchase. Once again, thank you!

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Old October 30th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #2
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From what you said about using it as a ranch gun i tend to stay away from the national match. Only because of the bedding and accuracy upgrades. I highly recomend the loaded as it has a medium weight barrel and a "nm trigger." The standard will serve you well if you cant find a loaded at the right price, or want the original barrel weight profile to save a little weight.

The loaded should shoot around 2 moa after you experiment to find the right ammo. I think 3.5 moa is the worst group ive ever shot with my loaded model, and i believe thats with steel case when experimenting for an accurate load.

For magazines buy CMI 20 round magazines or USGI. The former is easier to find and not inflated for price. CMI makes magazines ( not clips ) for the military's m14s still in service from what ive read here.

My preference is to buy a loaded in synthetic. Only because its cheaper, and then replace the synthetic for a USGI wooden stock. I think the older original usgi stock looks better on my m1a, but thats only my preference. If you get a stainless m1a barreled model, you can paint it black.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #3
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for ammo the most recomended from more experianced shooters is various types of surplus ammo. I recomend buying yourself the rifle, and trying all different types of ammo to see what shoots the best for accuracy. Ammo can get somewhat complicated as to whats the best; that question opens another can of worms. My cheap ammo for plinking is winchester white box from walmart and it actually prints fairly well on paper out of my barrel. but your going to have to experiment for yourself, for the best accuracy you're going to have to handload... but shoot first and enjoy. learn as you go.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #4
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buy them all... that was my plan, at least till my wife found out.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 10:02 PM   #5
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If you have beard hair it will get stuck in the springfield wood stock.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #6
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Ranch rifle ... get a standard... don't feed it anything heavier than 175 gr bullets (though some here do , read up if you want to as well)


If you do want more accuracy the loaded is good, but the standard will serve you just fine.

If you get into serious target shooting you can make your second m14 a target gun.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #7
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If you have beard hair it will get stuck in the springfield wood stock.
My beard snags in all my rifles in some way except my sage mod 0.

I figure if i can't take a little tug on on the beard without flinching i'm in trouble. It gets me every time though.

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Old October 31st, 2012, 08:02 AM   #8
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Ranch rifle ... get a standard... don't feed it anything heavier than 175 gr bullets (though some here do , read up if you want to as well)


If you do want more accuracy the loaded is good, but the standard will serve you just fine.

If you get into serious target shooting you can make your second m14 a target gun.
I second that. I have a 22" standard in walnut and with only 2 upgrades ($90) being the unitized GC and TG worked over, I got a 1" group of 8 rounds last weekend at 100 yards.

Get the Standard, get CePilot to do the work and use the difference of money to purchase ammo. Tons and tons of ammo.

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I would either get the standard, or a Match rifle with a standard weight match barrel. For a rifle you will be carrying around, i would not want even a medium barrel.

However, for a Ranch Rifle I would much prefer a Scout Squad with the 18" barrel.

Also when/if you do want top scope it take a look at the Basset Machine and Tool mount.

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Old October 31st, 2012, 10:51 AM   #10
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I would either get the standard, or a Match rifle with a standard weight match barrel. For a rifle you will be carrying around, i would not want even a medium barrel.

However, for a Ranch Rifle I would much prefer a Scout Squad with the 18" barrel.

Also when/if you do want top scope it take a look at the Basset Machine and Tool mount.

If its purpose is too be a Ranch Rifle, I'll second the advice above. The Scout/Bush rifle is a happy medium between the 22" barrel and the 16" barrel Socom. It's quicker handling than the standard while retaining most of the velocity. The best advice is to find a dealer that stocks both models, and actually handle them both to see what YOU like. The Scout already has a forward rail mounted on the barrel, so that is a plus if you do decide to mount a LER scope or Red Dot. Good luck on your choice. dozier

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I would think you would want the standard and spend the extra cash on mags and the type of ammo your rifle likes. It wouldn't get so heavy so fast if you are carrying it around. Chances are it will be more accurate than you at longer ranges. If you don't like the trigger pull you could always have a trigger job done by someone who knows what they are doing. For mags, go to 44mag.com and stock up. Best of luck to you on your first one. Then it's just a matter of time before you end up with another one, or two, or......

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I have a standard Scout Squad, I use American Eagle 7.62 the box marked for M1a. Accurate,clean and dependable

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Welcome to the forum and congrats on your decision to buy a M1A!

You might of noticed the many differing opinions on the best M1A to get. Many more are coming. I have four M1A rifles. A Loaded originally in a synthetic stock but mocked up as a USGI M14, a SOCOM 16 now wearing a Troy MCS and recently picked up two used Scouts. I'm a bit of an addict.

My favorite by far is the Scout with an Ultimak rail. I find the 18 inch barrel to be easier to manuever and as stated previously a nice compromise between the 22 inch and 16 inch barrels. The Ultimak rail allows me to use an Aimpoint Comp M2 Red Dot with an iron sight co-witness if needed. It was great to shoot in a black synthetic stock. I have just received a VLTOR stock and can't wait to go to the range.

If you can meet and talk with other forum members in your area. You might be able to try some of the different versions before you buy.

A Standard model in a synthetic stock would be a great place to start. Once your abilities and financing increase, upgrades are many and available.

Good luck!

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I bought a standard with the wood furniture and it shoots 1 inch groups at 100 yards off bags. I did the " windex " break in and the groups shrunk right up. Thats basically alchohol and amonia run through the barrel between each shot for 20 rounds.

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but likely the majority of the use will be as a ranch gun.
Scout Squad!

later, dozer

p.s. just my opinion

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