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Old September 27th, 2012, 01:37 AM   #1
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Questions on mounting for 3 point sling on M14

I wasn’t sure where to put this on the forum and I thought this may be the best place.

Folks, when I retired from the Marine Corps, the use of a 3 point sling was almost unknown, so I wanted to ask opinions of those who have used them.

I hope you will forgive me while I digress that I’m so “old school” on slings that I am completely familiar with leather slings for Brown Bess Muskets as I have not only used them a great deal, but I have made authentic reproductions and some modifications that while we can’t document as “authentic,” the modifications were made with correct period methods. For instance, I make a “second” hand sewn sling loop to fold up the front of the sling to get it out of the way when the sling is set up for shoulder or “two point” carry.

At the 125th year anniversary reenactment of The First Battle of Manassas, one of my brand new recruits BARELY got uniformed and outfitted to go on the field for that reenactment. (We had already WELL schooled him in drill and manual of arms and blank firing, though, of course so he would be safe on the field.) The only thing he did not have was a rifle musket sling and no one in our unit had an extra to loan him. Well, the sutlers were all closed when we discovered that and we would not have time for him to get one the next day before we formed up. Though he did not absolutely NEED a sling for the reenactment, I “flat wove” three pieces of hemp rope and we fashioned a sling for him from that. The idea was it would just be for that reenactment and he would get a linen or leather sling by the next reenactment. Well, he got SO MANY favorable comments on the “authenticity” of his “rope sling,” he actually kept it on his rifle musket for the rest of that season.

OK Back to the Future and three point slings.

As with many new things, I’m more concerned with what I don’t know about 3 point slings than what I know. I have watched over a dozen video’s on them and everyone claims theirs is the best sling, of course.

Not having any experience with these slings, I look at how some of them have a portion of the strap going alongside almost the entire left side of the rifle for a right hand shooter. I think that is to better stabilize the whole rifle when worn in some carry positions? That seems like it would really interfere with manipulating the bolt stop, though unlike an AR, there really is no other safety or mag release, etc. that would be somewhat compromised by the sling there. I also remember on one video when mounting the three point sling on the AR, that they point out their sling can be adjusted so as the sling does not remain close or tight to the left hand side of the rifle for just that reason.

With this in mind, I now see why some folks have mounted either another front sling swivel or some other kind of sling swivel, on the left side of the stock and sort of under and in front of the bolt lock. That actually gives me a much better idea where to position such an extra sling swivel so the swivel is as far forward as you can get it and not interfere with the bolt lock. That still leaves me with some unanswered questions though:

1. When you mount the extra sling swivel further forward on the left hand side of the stock, does the lead to too much less stability of placement of the butt of the stock?

2. With a GI fiberglass stock, I can envision placing the extra sling swivel even a bit further forward than what I have seen in the past. IOW, the bolts that would hold the sling swivel could go into the void just over the mag well on the left hand side of the stock. (I often fill in the voids over the mag well and behind the mag well with epoxy bedding compound and that would assist holding the nuts and washers in place as well as filling over them.) Would that be too far forward for the sling swivel?

3. When using a 3 point sling, are you slowed down too much for a quick “snap shot” that one often finds in hunting? I’m not speaking of something like bird shooting, but rather deer hunting.

4. OK, is there anything good or bad about a 3 point sling I have not mentioned.

All input would be appreciated.

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Old September 27th, 2012, 04:33 AM   #2
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I use a 3 point sling on my rifle Gus but it is a modified SOCOM. I installed an Ultimak rail in place of the hand guard and I put a Magpul sling attachment accessorie on the rail. I also added a second sling swivel to the butt of the stock. It is on the top of the stock, between the butt plate and the stock.

These modifications allow my sling to be attached to the top of the rifle and it allows the rifle to hang almost perfectly vertical and ready for use. Without these mods, the rifle will flip upside down and you have to twist it upright before you can bring it in to action.



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Nice set up on your SOCOM!

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RAMMAC,

Thanks for the reply. Never thought about mounting an extra Rear Sling Swivel the way you did. That is very creative. just wondering, are you left handed or do you have the sling set up for "weak" side shooting?

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RAMMAC is showing you the good way. If you mount the sling attachments too low the rifle will want to hang sideways. The higher you can get the swivels, the better.

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I'm a lefty Gus.

Since that picture was taken I've switched stocks and I am now using a nice wooden stock (more accurate than all the others I've tried except the JAE) but I still have to modify it for the rear sling swivel.

In my opinion the advantages to the three point slings are the way they spread the weapon's weight and the number of carry options but unless you modify the swivels you really can't take advantage of all the carry options.

I've carried my SOCOM while elk hunting in the mountains of Utah without a problem and I'm a 55 year old guy with a bad lower back and bad knee and the rifle weighed about 14 pounds fully loaded in a JAE G3 stock.

The only negative is that it really isn't designed to help stabilize your shots, at least that wasn't a primary design characteristic for the one I have. I can adjust it to help steady my shots but that's not it's strong point and I had to play with it to find a configuration that was useful and comfortable. But the sling has never been in the way when I brought the rifle in to firing position.

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I've tried the 3-point sling several times but I always end up going mad on all the straps and what not all over the place :)

On an MP5 it is about right, on anything heavier/longer nope...

I've used it on Ak4/G3, the earlier version of our Ak5/FNC and the 2 newer versions, Ak5C and D. Both shorter versions of the Ak5 and the D version is the shortest. And also the Ksp90B/SAW/Minimi PARA.

I might have missed how it is supposed to work but for my needs (military application) it is just not right.
Instead I've been using a single point sling that easily transforms to a simple 2-pojnt sling that I can use if I need hands free for carrying or climbing stuff.

So in my opinion they kinda suck :)
I instead use

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I used a three point sling on my M16A2 in Afghanistan and it was awesome. It gave me the versatility wear it with body armor, in garrison, and even while climbing a mountain, all with the sliding of a buckle. The quick release was invaluable with taking the sling off when in a vehicle or some other place where there wasn't much overhead clearance.

Here's another thread that might be worth reading: One Point or Two Point Sling for SOCOM II?.

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May I kindly ask which brand and model of sling you were using? :)

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I used a three point sling on my M16A2 in Afghanistan and it was awesome. It gave me the versatility wear it with body armor, in garrison, and even while climbing a mountain, all with the sliding of a buckle. The quick release was invaluable with taking the sling off when in a vehicle or some other place where there wasn't much overhead clearance.

Here's another thread that might be worth reading: One Point or Two Point Sling for SOCOM II?.

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May I kindly ask which brand and model of sling you were using? :)
It was six years ago so I don't remember. I think I still have it though. If I can find it I'll post the brand. The other nice thing I remember about it was that it was wider than 1" so it didn't dig into you while you wore it.

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the only thing is, is that you cant use a loop sling for it. or at least i havnt seen one that you can. now, most people wear them like a guitar. this is wrong, why have it when you can do that with a 2 point? for my m1a i'll stick to the 2 point so i can use hasty and loop slings...

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May I kindly ask which brand and model of sling you were using? :)
It was Specter Gear.

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I have found i like the 3 points that have some kind of mechanism that locks the sling into the different positions. and tightens the sling up. (though one like rammac's looks good as well)

I reject the idea of ever using a single point sling unless your on a fast team or something.

My thing is that if i have to go to my side arm (be it in competition or RL scenario) and i have to take a knee or go behind cover... If your using a single point sling your muzzle is going in the dirt. I do not like that.

With the three point sling you can slide a thing over, and be in 2 point mode where your muzzle wont hit the ground, should you take a knee with your side arm.


i also recommend NOT using any sling with 2 bungees... one bungee is ok for some shock absorption, and two may be alright with a socom in the plastic stock. But something heavier and you get too much bounce.

Just my opinions YMMV.

if you want simplicity and both single and dual point functionality get the magpul ms3. It has a quick adjust. and converts to single point in a snap.

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the only thing is, is that you cant use a loop sling for it. or at least i havnt seen one that you can. now, most people wear them like a guitar. this is wrong, why have it when you can do that with a 2 point? for my m1a i'll stick to the 2 point so i can use hasty and loop slings...
I think you misunderstand how the sling can be used. While it can be worn over the shoulder like you say, it can also be moved to several different positions without much effort. In fact, it can be worn the same as a two point sling, you just can't use it as a hastly sling.

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I'm a lefty Gus.

Since that picture was taken I've switched stocks and I am now using a nice wooden stock (more accurate than all the others I've tried except the JAE) but I still have to modify it for the rear sling swivel.

In my opinion the advantages to the three point slings are the way they spread the weapon's weight and the number of carry options but unless you modify the swivels you really can't take advantage of all the carry options.

I've carried my SOCOM while elk hunting in the mountains of Utah without a problem and I'm a 55 year old guy with a bad lower back and bad knee and the rifle weighed about 14 pounds fully loaded in a JAE G3 stock.

The only negative is that it really isn't designed to help stabilize your shots, at least that wasn't a primary design characteristic for the one I have. I can adjust it to help steady my shots but that's not it's strong point and I had to play with it to find a configuration that was useful and comfortable. But the sling has never been in the way when I brought the rifle in to firing position.
Thanks for the further info. That "real world usage" info is exactly what I'm looking for. Ah....... Elk hunting in Utah, now there is something I'd like to do someday.

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