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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:10 PM   #1
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KRIEGER vs. CRITERION vs. DOUGLAS

I'm thinking of either rebarreling my SAI or building a new rifle. I don't compete, but I do burn through about 100 rds of match ammo a week. I want an 1 moa informal target rifle that I can shoot to 800 yards or more with glass.

I know far more goes into a good rifle than the name on the barrel, but I'm curious as to what others experiences have been. That said, which of these barrels do you prefer for the M1A and why? I'll be going with a heavy contour. Is there much advantage for the Money in a Kieger vs. a Criterion?

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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:13 PM   #2
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I have a standard criterion non chrome that will do 1" groups with irons. The only thing NM on it is a trigger job. I'm sure if I put some glass on it, it will do even better.

My vote is for a medium weight criterion. Take the money you save and buy more ammo.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:42 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply! I have heard nothing but praises for criterion. If anyone has owned both, by all means, chime in. Fulton Armory offers rebarreling for a pretty reasonable price. I know their rifles have a good rep, but has anyone used them for this type of service? I was also thinking of calling Phil Arrington, Ted Brown, or John Wolfe. It's nice having world class armorers on the forum.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:52 PM   #4
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I would use one of the forum armorers. Just me 2 cents.

Here's a pic of that target I shot and yes I pulled one of the shots. Its was my fault.


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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:56 PM   #5
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Personally, I use nothing but Kriegers on my garand my m14's and my ar's. Worth every penny. Think about it most competition shooters use krieger bbls. The question you should be asking yourself is what is the difference in manufacturing. Check out the difference between cut rifling and button rifling. Although button rifling has come a long way I don't think it is as good a method. Just my opinion after doing a lot of reading on the different methods used to rifle a bbl. My only experience with a criterion bbl was through my bro in law. Couldn't get the rifle to zero. We eliminated every possibility but the bbl. Once the bbl was changed it was a different rifle. Front sight was again centered. I am not knocking them, they do make a good bbl that one was probably 1 in 10,000. If you want to leave the guess work out of the equation grab a krieger.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 10:08 PM   #6
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If a long range bench rest rifle is what you want, you can do no better than a Gene Barnett turned Douglas premium 22" heavy M1A barrel from Champion's Choice. Krieger is also good, and Criterion's Saco-Lowell barrel is outstanding as well.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 10:30 PM   #7
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When you consider performance, durability & cost Criterion barrels are THE BEST you can put on a M14, I've seen many chrome lined med weights shoot 1in groups with quality ammo....

Good luck bro!

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Old August 22nd, 2012, 03:08 AM   #8
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I have 3 Criterion NM med weight Sako repros that shoot just as good as my Kreiger heavy stainless.

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Old August 22nd, 2012, 03:11 AM   #9
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I have Kriegers and like them very much. I believe in the cut rifling advantage/benefit. I am not (never will be) a bench rest shooter, but am a budding fan of hi-power/service rifle.

With regard to OP subject, it's like trying to decide between a Porsche, Mercedes, or BMW among German cars. A fun question/debate. You will be happy every way.


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Old August 22nd, 2012, 06:16 AM   #10
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Thanks for all the replies! Very informative. Keep 'em coming!

I've always heard that Krieger's cut-rifling is second to none. I have also been seeing a lot of criterion barrels shooting very well (albeit on bolt guns) at my local range.

Another forum member pm'd me about a med-heavy krieger he has for sale. Could be interesting...

What kind of difference should I realistically expect going from my TRW GI bbl to a krieger? My rifle shoots well for what it is (SAI STANDARD) but its a relentless pursuit.

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Personally, I use nothing but Kriegers on my garand my m14's and my ar's. Worth every penny. Think about it most competition shooters use krieger bbls. The question you should be asking yourself is what is the difference in manufacturing. Check out the difference between cut rifling and button rifling. Although button rifling has come a long way I don't think it is as good a method. Just my opinion after doing a lot of reading on the different methods used to rifle a bbl. My only experience with a criterion bbl was through my bro in law. Couldn't get the rifle to zero. We eliminated every possibility but the bbl. Once the bbl was changed it was a different rifle. Front sight was again centered. I am not knocking them, they do make a good bbl that one was probably 1 in 10,000. If you want to leave the guess work out of the equation grab a krieger.
I thought Kreiger owned Criterion 82nd? My only experience is "GI" and Criterion so can't compare.

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Old August 22nd, 2012, 08:04 AM   #12
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A lot. Commercial, non-chrome lined barrels are a significant upgrade as compared with original USGI barrels. Anyone mentioned would likely outshoot it.

My standard rifles with Criterion barrels shoot 1.5 MOA and I have a few sub-MOA 5 round groups with Prvi M80. Not even match ammo. Personally, I would go with a NM medium Saco-Lowell Criterion barrel sold by LRB or Treeline. I am putting one on my next build with USGI NM sights. Together it should shoot great. I have built 7 M14s in the last 3 months and all had Criterion barrels. Every single one exceeded my accuracy expectations.

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I run a Criterion medium 18" on my LRB and I have seen WAY more fluctuation in accuracy from the different stocks i've put on it than the barrel choice. I believe repeatable draw pressure on the front band, solid receiver lug placement and good quality ammo make up 90% of the equipment related accuracy. In other words, the barrel choices mentioned are all top shelf. It'd be a tough sell that any one is that much more better than the rest. Maybe bragging rights or something, i guess. Just my 2 cents.

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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:38 AM   #14
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AR spacegun or varmint rig, get the Krieger barrel. In .224 cal it's that much better than the competition. .308 cal all 3 of the ones mentioned are a good products. The lapped-in barrels (Krieger and Douglas) MIGHT shoot good longer and clean easier. Good ammo is more important than which badge on the barrel.

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I would use one of the forum armorers. Just me 2 cents.

Here's a pic of that target I shot and yes I pulled one of the shots. Its was my fault.

Nice job on the trigger! Especially with irons!

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