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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #1
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Is this acceptable accuracy for an out of box m1a springfield scout squad? *pics*

I'm a noobie to rifle shooting (although i'm very good at pistol shooting), after i adjusted the settings (to the best of my abilities) for my iron sights i shot with remington 150 gr ammo at 50 yards and got this...




Then i went to 100 yards and adjusted a little and got these two groups...




All of these shots were made from a bench and through iron sights. I tried my absolute hardest on every single shot to make it count. My eyes and concentration was absolutely tired at the end of the session. Am I just really bad or is that pretty typical results from 100 and 50 yards with iron sights?

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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:33 PM   #2
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oh forgot to mention, at 100 yards, i shot with federal match king bthp 168 grain gold match ammo...

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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #3
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I'm also curious about opinions to this. My shots aren't much different.

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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #4
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Looks good to me.

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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:57 PM   #5
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rifle is good to go , just need to work on marksmanship.

I have no doubt its possible for you with that rifle to get all the shots int he red bull at 50 yards.


these are not the best videos, but they explain a few things to help tighten your groups a bit.

maybe some others can chime in with some other tips to tighten those groups.






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Old July 26th, 2012, 08:07 PM   #6
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Can I assume the red bullseye is 1"? Not too bad for a new rifleman. You're better with a rifle than I am with a pistol.

There is much to teach your muscles and nerves about shooting a rifle. If it's all a conscious effort, you’ll not do better than this. First is coordinating a sight picture; front sight pillar perfectly centered in the rear sight aperture. Second is locating the point of aim (bullseye) relative to the front pillar. I’ve always used a 6 o’clock sight picture where the bottom of the bullseye is centered and just touching the top of the front pillar. Last is squeezing the trigger; take up the slack and then steadily squeeze the trigger until the shot breaks. The actual shot should be a surprise, if the shot is anticipated, you will react and the shot will be missed.

They say that if you do something a thousand times, your muscles will learn to remember the activity and do the work for you. Your job is to practice, practice and practice some more. You’ll soon discover the affect that breathing has upon your sight picture and learn to stop squeezing when your breath is moving the front sight away from your point of aim. You’ll even learn to snap off the shot while still being surprised at its timing.

Personally, I’d say your shooting is better than my first attempts and I had drill instructor instilling some motivation into my shooting.

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You need to learn how to use a leather sling.....it makes a difference.

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Old July 26th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #8
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Reasonable groups for a person that isn't very experienced with the M14 style rifle. Between the recoil and the shape of the stock, it takes some practice to become consistent from shot to shot.

From your targets I can recommend several things that you might want to pay attention to. All of your targets show impacts that are predominately horizontal with some amount of vertical dispersion thrown in on a couple of targets. There are some specific things that can cause these group patterns.

Assuming that you are right handed:

For the first three targets
  • Jerking the trigger rather than squeezing smoothly.
  • Canting the rifle right or left but more often, it seems, to the right.

The last target
  • Inconsistent eye relief.
  • Shifting the butt of the rifle.
  • Moving the front of the rifle; either your support arm or moving the rifle forward or back on the front rest on subsequent shots.
  • Inconsistent breath control.

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Old July 26th, 2012, 10:32 PM   #9
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If I might offer a suggestion?

Shim your gas system, it is the cheapest fastest way to improve the group size.

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Old July 26th, 2012, 10:49 PM   #10
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Shim your gas system, it is the cheapest fastest way to improve the group size.

Shameless plug.

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Definately a worthwhile upgrade too.
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jake2far is absolutely correct; shim the gas system. It is the least expensive mod you can do and probably the most cost effective at reducing group size except for practice practice practice. Oh, wait, practicing is not exactly cost effective at today's ammo prices, but it is a must. Also, I recommend a Sadlak National Match spring guide; they are very easy to install and not very expensive. Both made a world of difference in how my Scout grouped.

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I agree that accuracy mods like GC shimming are good first improvements to make, but as others have stated work on your marksmanship skills first and then start accuracy improvements. It looks like at this point that rifle is consistent and you just need to make your skills consistent and then perform accuracy mods.

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Old July 27th, 2012, 03:57 AM   #13
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Wow thanks for the advice everyone. This is the greatest forum ever!

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Accuracy looks pretty decent from here. It's an unmodified battle rifle design and it holds true to the intended purpose.

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A good way to practice cheaply is dime drills. It's a little bit easier with 2 people but you can do it yourself.

Cock the rifle, balance a dime or small washer on top of the barrel, and practice dry firing. The goal is to squeeze gently on the trigger, and keep the coin balanced the entire time.

Costs nothing but time, and you'll notice the horizontal size of your groups go down over time.

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