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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:05 AM   #1
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SOCOM 16 VS Scout?

Ive run into a little problem. I just found out that place that Ive ordered my SA Scout might be back ordered as long as a year. ( I called SA and they said they are sending them out regularly) I wanted to stay with the place I ordered from just bc they have the best $ but I dont look foward to waiting a year.

I am able to get a SOCOM as soon as today. I have a VLTOR Mod stock on order that should be here in about a week or two. Mags are on order from CMI and ammo is enroute. EOTECH with GGG quick detach is sitting on the work table.

Now for the question. Other than the barrel size what is the real difference in the two. Are the gas systems the same? I have been reading mixed things about the SOCOM being touchie with ammo. This is going to be a jump gun for me. CQC set up with long range being able to bang 18" steel at out 600yds with match ammo being ok.

Is going with a SOCOM over a Scout going to comprimise that much on accuracy and reliability?

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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:19 AM   #2
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The only compromise will be in range.The Socom has sights meant for quick acquisition at short to intermediate range (wide front sight with tritium insert,oversize .125 rear aperture),while the Scout has a National Match fine front sight and a normal size rear aperture .I have one of each and they are both excellent,reliable rifles,but quite different.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:27 AM   #3
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Hey Dave,
I have a heavily modified SOCOM 16 and it's very accurate. Out of the box "I" wasn't able to get tight groups, but I installed a SEI SOCOM 16 kit which seemed to help out a lot. I had a lot less felt recoil IMO with the SEI flash supressor and didn't seem to have as much muzzle jump. Your going to be limited on muzzle breaks/flash suppressors as the gas block differs from the Scout and full length M1A's. The gas block screws onto the end of the SOCOM 16's barrel, and then the muzzle break/flash supressor screws onto the end of the gas block. The threads on the SOCOM's gas block are a different size and will not fit regular M1A's muzzle breaks/flash supressors. Also, the front sight post is quit thick/large and makes distance shooting a pain as it will completely cover up smaller targets depending how you like your sight picture. Alot of guys suggest switching out these for the standards iron sights of the full length M1A's. I also have a Troy SASS chassis on mine with a Leupold scope. With this setup I'm able to hit 1" groups at 100yards regularly. I guess it's all in what you're willing to do to the SOCOM after you got your hands on it. IMO it's definitelty not good past 300/400 yards out of the box with iron sights and its muzzle break... Please correct me if I'm missing or wrong on anything guys!

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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #4
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Thanks for all the Info..

Is this the suppressor your talking about?

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/...-68-p-405.html


And is it just a simple screw on without mods?

As for the front sight; I can always change out the front sight if it becomes a pain. My other question is how is the gas system? Have you seen any problems with reliability problems?

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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:52 AM   #5
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Thats the wrong one, looks identical, buy you have to buy the "SOCOM 16 kit" from Smith Enterprises to use that supressor. It also comes with a nice muzzle break too. The stock gas block won't allow you to remove the muzzle break. Brownells carries the one you need. I've never had any problems with the gas system. The gas systems are virtually the same just diifferent gas blocks, someone correct me if I'm wrong. The only problem I had was self inflicted(long story and completely my fault).

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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:55 AM   #6
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Smith Enterprises also makes a quick attach/disconnect sound supressor compatible with this kit, if you wanna go that far!

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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:04 AM   #7
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Im not looking to suppress it ...Im just looking to make sure the accuracy isnt comprimsed. So if I can run easy fixes Im ok. Also can I just switch out the front/back appetures to the NM 1s?

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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:08 AM   #8
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http://www.smithenterprise.com/products03.02.html

The 2nd 1 from the top is the 1 id go with?

Is that just a add on without changing anything else?

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With the SOCOM 16 kit you can use all the other front sights available on other M1A's, same for the rear sights. You can do the same with the stock gas block obviously too. A few quick fixes and you'll have a decent shooter.

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It is just a simple add on. You'll need a gas block wrench, but they are cheap. It's going to take some man power to thread the new gas block on the barrel though. I thought mine got crossed threaded because the stock one comes off and goes on so easily. It'll have a nice tight fit though!

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oh yeah! and if you want to get those muzzle breaks on you'll need to buy some reall skinny/narrow wrenches.

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I you reload you will drop a fair amount of velocity on the 16"BBL so you will have to rework the load if you have one figured out for a 22", I went from a 22" SAI M1A to a 18" Scout config and RAMMAC was a big help in getting me in the right area for a load I really like the handiness of the shorter barrels but they do have limitations.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:19 AM   #13
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I would wait for the Scout, for me the M14 is a mid range rifle. The carbines are for closer work. In my opinion to get the M14 to serve best where its designed, I want the longer barrell, and all that comes with it. The sacrifice of a bit less wieght and a bit better handling offered by the SOCOM wern't worth it to me over the Scout.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #14
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I would rather pay a little more right now then wait a year. These rifles keep going up in price and even if you get it at a better price it will likely be higher or the same price then what you would get right now somewhere else.

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+1, I just saw a price over $1800 for a new scout, and that must have been old, since they were currently out of stock. I agree with SOCOM on the buy it now rather than wait -- a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush

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